SCIENCE!

Nov 09, 2008 12:56


I'm supposed to be doing my homework, but I'd rather not (c'mon, you guys, I have a Chinese midterm, give me a break :P), so instead, I'm going to write about evolution.  One of my classes this year is an upper-division biology class, Experimental Ecology & Evolution (E3, for short, and I love it more than any class ever), which is giving me uppity ( Read more... )

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brugenmeister November 11 2008, 11:50:13 UTC
Yeah, I probably shouldn't have mentioned that without the quote. And it's only a foolish claim under an ontology of "Being is because..." Seeing as the because is unconstituted, then knowledge can be created (out of thin air?)

Under an ontology of "Being is." an idea is a different thing entirely. This is where Hegel's dialectic comes in, but that would take forever to explain. I'll leave it at this: if effect is already latent in being, ideas are already latent in Being, so one does not create new ideas, one brings out ideas that were always there just not consciously conceived.

I would further like to note that even if I had the quote, you would claim that it does not constitute evidence, correct me if I am wrong. But you see, there is the self-fulfilling prophecy of science. Only a scientific argument constitutes evidence. What does it matter that some man once said something? According to science, that means squat. (And in my opinion, Shakespeare has contributed more to human understanding than Science ever could, and he was only one little man.)

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sarahbrand November 11 2008, 17:58:32 UTC
What does it matter that some man once said something? According to science, that means squat.

Well, yes, because people can say things that are dead wrong. But let's take an actual Shakespeare quote - Hamlet's "To be or not to be" soliloquy, for instance. Someone who has never had occasion to contemplate suicide, nor known anyone driven to that level of despair, will not understand it. But to everyone else, it resonates, because it accords with their own observations about life.

So, Shakespeare's statements are not evidence for their own truth (and really, how could they be?); rather, the truth of his statements is a conclusion that the reader draws, using his/her observations as the evidence. Just because a statement isn't considered evidence for the purposes of a particular type of discussion, it doesn't follow that it is meaningless.

At any rate, if the original idea does not accord with Rachel's observations, I don't quite understand how a quote that essentially restates what you're trying to argue ought to be taken as proof - however brilliantly it may phrase the idea.

(If Shakespeare expressed an idea similar to what you were originally saying [which is entirely possible], I cannot think of it off the top of my head. However, you might have been thinking of Ecclesiastes 1:9, "There is nothing new under the sun." And given that Ecclesiastes is basically Solomon drowning in his own angst, if I were you, I would hesitate to put forth any line from its early chapters as a truth about human existence, or evidence thereof.)

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