Metaphysical
I've said that there's no logical reason to believe in the metaphysical, I'll amend this slightly. I can find no logical reason to believe in the metaphysical, that doesn't mean there isn't one out there. However, I need a new working definition of metaphysical. Here's why
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I wonder what has happened in your life to cause you to interpret acts of love and kindness with such contempt; twisting them all to be viewed as "selfish." Others speak out for change, and you debate - admitting to a shrinking understanding. No purpose, no goal, nothing. Either you are searching or you have found unravelment. You need to decide.
Accusations of selfish gain? What is your anomalously selfless calling that causes you to waste your time trying to disprove the power of a God that you claim doesn't exist? What roster is counting your "converts," Ethan?
My anonymity may cause this to lose credibility, but "fat shiny rubys" have never entered my mind when describing Jesus to a broken, beat-down, wandering person who has no where to turn. Besides, I don't recall the Bibles "Ruby to US dollar" conversion sheet. So I really don't know how much your of my pocket your soul would fill. I also don't wear hats. Guess that assumption can be ruled out.
Don't misunderstand. Do some overzealous, got-it-all wrong, so-called "Christians" with selfish motives focus on numbers, not realizing what they're doing a mis justice to God? Of course.
But you seem brighter than to speak with such generalizations; Assuming that one flawed person represents the lot.
The bottom line is, this God of ours, that "doesn't exist" loves you. It is SO good to question everything you believe in, but does empty debate get you through the day? Apparently not, if with each passing day you are losing your grip as you claim. Thats why someone who has experienced a even a shred of Gods love wants you to know about it.
It isn't selfish for me to say that you are loved by your creator. I have no roster, because I don't know your heart. Only God does. Your previous, fleeting, empty decision to follow Christ is not on any scoreboard if that makes you feel better.
If you believe that Christianity is about selfishness then I encourage you to revisit the basics truths of Gods character before delving into deeper, abortive arguments.
I pray that you will find the reason for living, because one day, when your body is warn down, your family is gone, and the love inducing chemicals in your brain run out until you and your wife cant even look at each other anymore...your God will still love you. Science wont do that, I promise you.
The truth is, I know you. I have for years and to pretend that you are living for anything right now is a joke. No, I'm not having an online alter-call. I just hate to see you so blind to the thicket of love and revelation that is waiting to entangle you if you would just stop trying to always expose and for once let something be revealed. Your shrinking understanding will be forced into reverse. Who wouldn't want that?
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How dare you assume you know me.
Saying that the knowledge/age ratio is falling, is not the same as saying I'm losing my grip.
You, and all who remain anonymous, are cowards.
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I don't know you, but I know of you. If knowing who I am makes you feel any better, my name is Chris Pass.
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--wow. this makes your previous comment even worse. didn't think that was really possible.
-sp
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the above poster wasn't trying to point out "blatant ignorance" he was making assumptions and guesses for why ethan has come to some of the conclusions he has, not to mention taking the arrogant stance of believing to know the validity of ethan's experiences.
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-sp
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I'm glad you came out, it really does even the playing field. It doesn't make your argument any stronger, or weaker, it just makes you look more brave. And you should be brave, you have nothing to fear from me.
I think what I think. Needless to say, your arguments thus far have been unconvincing, to me. That's not to say they wouldn't convince anyone.
As far as comments that go beyond the scope of discussion, such as personal attacks and the like, I hope we can come back to being above them.
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And to be honest Ethan, the only reason I never openly told you who I was from the jump was that, if by some chance we actually had a real life conversation, I didn't want it to revolve around this. I like talking about this stuff to an extent, but I've found that in relationships, especially with friends that differ in beliefs, it's much easier to maintain a friendship when these kinds of topics don't consume your discussion.
And I apologize for some of the things I said (note: the anonymous statements still were NOT me). I think now that identities are out in the open, it will force us (me) to watch my P's and Q's. ;)
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I agree. It's been my modus operandi to not broach the topic when in public. I'm pulling away from that slightly, but I would always respect someone's wish to not talk about any subject. I'm firmly against the imposition of beliefs, even when my own. I do believe it important to discuss things though, even controversial subjects, as long as the discussions have an air of openness. It's important to recognize when someone is just closed minded to new information.
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--Ha! Of course "another anonymous onlooker"!! That means you and your "other anonymous" friends can say anything (including disgusting remarks claiming to know the validity of the original poster's previous experiences with Christianity) and not be held accountable for it. Cowards.
"I pray that you will find the reason for living..."
--Ridiculous to think or even assume he hasn't. it might be different from YOUR reason but that means nothing.
"No purpose, no goal, nothing."
"...and to pretend that you are living for anything right now is a joke"
--Totally disgusting. This could be easily tagged onto your reasons for living as well.
These comments are nothing but arrogance, intolerance and judgment. Absolutely disgusting and enough reason to avoid exactly what brought you to think/believe such things.
-shawna
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