commentary: let my walls come down (tvd, bonnie/jeremy)

Feb 08, 2011 11:57

Commentary on let my walls come down, as requested by torigates. Was originally posted here.

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fandom: the vampire diaries, commentary

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katayla February 9 2011, 04:38:39 UTC
Okay, don't get me wrong, this commentary (and the fic itself!) is awesome, but now it makes me sad! Because I figured all along that they'd gloss over this issue (which I think was part of the conversation in my journal), but now it's like, for all we know, they're ALREADY having sex offscreen!

And I agree about Bonnie not having a family or a house! A friend and I were talking about that a while back, trying to remember the deal with Bonnie's parents!

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 04:42:12 UTC
Kat gave an interview and said that Bonnie was a virgin! I don't know if she meant it, but it's at least something she's thought about then since I don't think that would just trip off her tongue otherwise. I'm just going to hold onto that thought.

Her mom left and her dad is really distant. That's about as far as they've gone with explaining it. She should have a house! Even Matt has a house and Matt doesn't have anything else.

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katayla February 9 2011, 04:45:15 UTC
Oh nice! I'll hold onto that thought, too!

That's what we thought! Yeah, was it your journal where I saw conversation recently about how Bonnie/everyone who's not the main three are just TOO ignored? Because YEAH. They really, really are.

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 14:20:13 UTC
Probably? It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. There's so much I love about the show, but the amount I love the side characters has been growing and growing and that makes it much harder to ignore the rest of it.

And I feel bad for continuously bringing it up, I'm not trying to deny anyone their joy, but it is a real problem with the show. That someone might be happy with the main storyline doesn't mean the flaws go away.

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katayla February 9 2011, 20:50:18 UTC
I don't think you're bringing it up too much at all! And IDK. I'm certainly biased by my flist, but it feels like "everyone" (including myself!) is more interested in the side characters right now. At least, that's what I see people talking about the most.

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 22:10:17 UTC
I don't know, I just sort of feel like it's not a discussion that people want to have because they love the show so much. Which I get, but I love it too and I want it to be better. It can't be better unless they fix this problem.

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katayla February 9 2011, 22:22:29 UTC
I could see that. IDK. Or, I guess, for the people who genuinely ARE most invested in the main three. But then I'm not talking about the show anymore partially for reasons like that (what I want to talk about isn't really what others want to).

Did you read this? (Spoilers!)

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 22:26:29 UTC
And I do have some people that are primarily interested in that story, with a side of Caroline and for those people, they're probably not interested in me whining. What part of the show do you want to talk about that's not being talked about?

I did not! Oh man, that makes me happy. Ive been looking for stuff about that for awhile now, so yay. Also, it sounds like the character that I've been terrified is going to die might not be, so double yay.

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katayla February 9 2011, 22:34:26 UTC
I don't know if it's even one specific part as much as I'm not as in love with it as everyone else? So I feel like I approach it differently and I know that's not bad or anything, but I guess it's a lonely feeling? And I see Damon differently than a lot of people and, again, I know that's not bad, but I guess it's become a discussion I don't really want to have? Mostly I guess it is kind of what you're talking about: I feel like if I say something "bad," I'm just going to get people automatically arguing with me. And I don't mind a debate, but if the fundamental reason you (universal you) are arguing with me is because you're in the "wildly in love with the show" phase and don't want to hear it, we're not going to get anywhere.

Yeah! Again, good to hear about the side characters! :D

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 22:38:17 UTC
Ah, okay, that makes sense. I feel like I'm still really in love with it, but I want to talk about things beyond how in love with it I am? Is that a thing? I want to talk about Damon with you sometime, but I think I might want to figure out how I'm feeling about him these days first.

Yes! Steven McQueen is my hero.

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katayla February 9 2011, 22:41:43 UTC
Hee, feel free! I mean, it's not like I don't want to talk about these things, it's just gotten to where I feel a little weird about doing it in "public."

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 22:44:52 UTC
No, I get you. There are certainly things that I think that I don't say in public. We all have them. Man, though. Damon. I wish I knew what I thought. It would make life easier.

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katayla February 9 2011, 22:49:10 UTC
Yep. Haha, I don't even know all of my thoughts and I'm not sure I have the right words for them. I guess I think it's more possible for him to be "good" than a lot of people do? (But, see, then I always feel the need to clarify that I'm certainly not saying he's good NOW.)

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 23:01:05 UTC
Did you see this one? Slightly different stuff. (Spoilers, natch.) Now I really want it to be tomorrow night. If he's fucking with me, I will burn Utica to the ground.

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katayla February 9 2011, 23:03:09 UTC
I just read that! VERY promising!!!

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empressearwig February 9 2011, 23:06:25 UTC
Right? Oh please, oh please, oh please, oh please.

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