005. To lead humanity

[earth_uninstall]

While I don't condone the violent actions objectors have taken towards the Watch, I also don't approve of this witch hunt. What happened to the openness the Watch claimed it would maintain? They aren't even off the ground and already they are trying to suppress negative opinions

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[ice_echani]

I fail to see any evidence of a witch hunt, nor of witholding information as Stoneface went to the effort of rewriting his entry when it was vandalized.

[earth_uninstall]

The point of withhold information is so people generally don't know it has been witheld.

The only reason he rewrote that entry was to maintain his 'documentation' of what has been done to members of the Watch. That sounds like the beginning of a witch hunt to me.

-Aurora

[ice_echani]

Is your logic that information is being witheld because you do not know if it exists? By that reasoning, we may also be hiding the secrets of many things in Edensphere.

It is documentation of crimes that have been committed. If the Scavengers had been targeted, the procedure would be the same.

[earth_uninstall]

The information about the suspect's identity is being withheld. It doesn't bother you that a potentially innocent person, one you may or may not care about, is being treated like a hostage?

Such behavior is unprecedented. We have no "procedure," not one that has been agreed upon and established. Because of that, by definition this is not lawful behavior.

-Aurora

[ice_echani]

Have you considered that is for the protection of the suspect as well as others? He or she would be subject to considerable danger if his or her identity was released, as there are those in Edensphere who would wish to take punishment into their own hands.

That is what we are in the process of building. It is not the Watch's fault that the murderer and the beast-tamer did not conveniently wait until that was accomplished before killing Stoneface and sending wild animals after the Watch.

[earth_uninstall]

And if they were attacked by others, would the Watch detain those people? Do "criminals" have any rights, or it is just easier to find someone to blame and close the case as soon as possible?

That the Watch is in the process of building. It is entirely the Watch's fault that I not only have very little faith in their ability to form acceptable laws, but to withhold from abusing the power they have given themselves.

-Aurora

[ice_echani]

Yes, those persons would be detained as well.

If having our commander murdered and being assaulted ourselves has not hindered our resolve in this undertaking, why do you seem to believe that mere words will? You write prolifically, yet I have yet to see you back your opinions up with any action, whether it is an offer of assistance or a proposal of separate methods. I do not understand why you believe we should be subject to your opinions.

[earth_uninstall]

Then why not cage everyone up? It would save the Watch some time.

I have proposed numerous ideas in the past and debated, at length, with Stoneface. If you paid more attention to the journals then you wouldn't be so ignorant. What action do you think I should take? Have my own go at Stoneface? Hold someone hostage until my demands are met? Words and ideas are just as helpful than any bullet I could waste.

-Aurora

and heeeere comes the ping

[ice_echani]

You cloud your own point with hyperbole. You asked about the rights of criminals to not be molested in custody, and I have given you your answer.

I have seen a great deal of ink expended, and I do not understand why you feel that everyone ought to [here the writing sloooooows] agree with

You automatically assign enmity to the Guard and the Watch, without seeming to be open to the possibility that we have Edensphere's best interests in mind. Why?

[earth_uninstall]

Hardly. If this case is any indication of how the Watch intends to handle every problem, it is more of a prediction.

They are both organizations, ones that are heavily armed and populated with people chosen for their ability to fight, who have decided that they alone are the policing forces of Edensphere. They have given themselves authority either outside of their jurisdiction (the Guard is only meant to protect the Hatchery and the cocoons, nothing more) or created their own (the Watch, as suddenly all of Edensphere is their right and business).

If a member of the Guard or the Watch attacks someone, the one attacked must have been a criminal. If any other person attacks someone, the attacker must be a criminal. You do not see anything wrong, unjust, or dangerous about this growing mindset?

-Aurora

[ice_echani]

I did answer you. It is not my fault that you found it unsatisfactory, although I am sure you would have found it equally wrong if I had told you we would allow anyone to attack criminals in custody. What is your suggestion? Or do you merely wish to write until you exhaust Edensphere's supply of ink/

That is not so. If a Watch member was to attack someone for no cause, they would be ejected from the Watch and held accountable for their criminal act. I must ask you, have you ever spoken to any of us outside of the journals? I cannot tell if you are simply paranoid or if there is an underlying resentment to your apparently vehement feelings, as none of us are the corrupt and abusive beings you seem to think us.

[earth_uninstall]

I don't see how speaking to you on this matter will accomplish much. You are not in a position to change anything, and all I am doing is justifying my actions to someone whose personal opinion I don't care about. But to satisfy your curiosity, my first suggestion is that the Watch be completely disbanded and alternate organizations formed. Note how I pluralized the word.

Accountable by who? Who can determine what is and isn't a criminal act by the Watch? And what would speaking to the members of Watch accomplish? Are you hoping they could earn my sympathy and emotionally manipulate me into backing off? Their actions are speaking loud enough.

-Aurora

[ice_echani]

Our actions do speak, yet you are determined on mishearing everything and insulting what you force yourself to misunderstand. I will not waste any more ink speaking with you on this matter; it is time I can put to infinitely better use.