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Dec 28, 2009 14:59

While I don't condone the violent actions objectors have taken towards the Watch, I also don't approve of this witch hunt. What happened to the openness the Watch claimed it would maintain? They aren't even off the ground and already they are trying to suppress negative opinions ( Read more... )

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extantlaw December 29 2009, 00:36:51 UTC
There is no witch hunt, and no one's opinion is being suppressed. To the contrary, I would suggest that the only victims of attempted suppression have been the Watch themselves.

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earth_uninstall December 29 2009, 04:02:58 UTC
There has been mention of documenting everything that has been happening to people of the Watch, and the detention of suspects says otherwise. I do agree that the Watch is also being suppressed, but it's going both ways.

-Aurora

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extantlaw December 29 2009, 11:27:00 UTC
I note that nothing you say is being inked or otherwise removed. The only person suffering from that has been Stoneface. You are not being prevented from speaking out and nor is anyone else.

Documenting everything that has happened to the Watch is merely common sense, shoudl a pattern emerge that provides information on who may have perpetrated the attacks. There is no guarantee that attacks will remain confinmed to the Watch in future.

The suspect who is being detained was not apprehended by the Watch. The person in question surrendered themselves to the Guard.

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Parts inked out immediately earth_uninstall December 30 2009, 18:31:55 UTC
The person who inked Stoneface's entry did it out of stupidity, not malicious intent. And his suffering has been self inflicted; if he'd handle the Watch better, perhaps people wouldn't have been adverse to it.

He willingly What proof do you have that the suspect wasn't forced to surrender themselves?

-Aurora

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extantlaw December 30 2009, 18:46:04 UTC
Regardless of why they did it, the fact remains that yours remain uninked - save for what I assume is your own pen.

I should be unsurprised that you consider killing an appropriate expression of adverse feelings. However I suspect that you are in the minority, and the rest of us would prefer to engage in civilised debate.

I have the word of the suspect and the Captain of the Guard.

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earth_uninstall December 30 2009, 19:14:44 UTC
And what does that prove? That because I wasn't inked, no one else would be? Your logic is usually better than this.

Did you even bother to read what I wrote? I said I didn't condone the actions taken. If there is anyone who has pressed for civilized debate, it's been me.

Bastet's word as the Captain of the Guard means little to me, and unless I hear it from the suspect's own mouth, I refuse to believe it.

-Aurora

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extantlaw December 30 2009, 19:46:34 UTC
I am not the one attempting to use an absence of evidence to prove a point.

I read it. I also read what you wrote a moment ago. I suggest that you resolve your own conflict before engaging in any with others.

[A few pen taps as he looks at your conversation with Raise below, and the increasing number of areas that are heavily inked and unreadable.]

If they wish to explain themselves to you, then they will.

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earth_uninstall December 31 2009, 23:25:39 UTC
That's a lie. You just used the absence of inking on my journal to make your point.

What makes you think I have any other conflicts than the ones I've listed? I would not have engaged in this if I didn't think I was able nor ready to.

-Aurora

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extantlaw December 31 2009, 23:29:43 UTC
To the contrary, I used the uninhibited presence of your words to make my point.

The fact that you are unable to decide whether to find the attacks on the Watch insupportable, or consider them an understandable response is sufficiently telling in that regard.

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earth_uninstall January 1 2010, 02:38:01 UTC
It is possible that I am not considered a serious threat.

They are not exclusive opinions. I think measures could have been taken prior to violence, but I agree with the sentiment. I do not like the Watch, I don't approve of it, and I think it will only cause more harm than good.

-Aurora

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extantlaw January 1 2010, 15:58:05 UTC
And yet you are by far the most outspoken. Your modesty is commendable, but in this case it merely fuels your paranoia.

Noble reasons on paper, but the reality is a man stabbed to death in his own home and several more attacked by creatures of no known origin. This is less to do with a moral objection to the watch, and more to do with protecting criminal interests.

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earth_uninstall January 3 2010, 02:21:56 UTC
For being as outspoken as I am, how many people are listening to me?

I hardly think the two incidents are related. They may be for the same cause, but they aren't working together. The only interest I am protecting is that of the people to speak their mind and decide to not submit to dictatorship, and the potential innocence of the suspect.

-Aurora

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extantlaw January 3 2010, 13:54:09 UTC
That is a question only you can answer.

I do not believe in coincidences. Not when two similar occurrences happen within hours and days of each other.

And I am aware of the potential innocence of the suspect, as well as the potential guilt.

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earth_uninstall January 3 2010, 23:27:33 UTC
Not many. People only like logic if it's dressed up in flowery words.

Have you found any evidence connecting the two, other than the timing? Stoneface's death would have provided ample opportunity for another person to make their move.

It seems you've already made your verdict.

-Aurora

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extantlaw January 6 2010, 18:58:37 UTC
A patronising assumption about those same people you wish to trust with a democracy.

Not yet. But I intend to look harder.

[A few pentaps here, possibly of the IRRITATED variety. He's trying to be more like Truth but it's not easy XD]

If you are unable to address the subject rationally, I have no wish to discuss it at all.

...And there is no need to continue signing your name. I know who I am speaking to.

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Have a nice pile of BULLSHIT earth_uninstall January 7 2010, 07:04:25 UTC
I don't let my emotions interfere with my logic.

Look harder, or find ways to fabricate evidence? I would think you were more just than that, but considering how invested you are in your prediction, I would not be surprised.

I am being completely rational about this. And it's necessary that I sign my name; for the record, it's best that everyone is able to distinguish when it's me or Yehuda, even though he is not here.

-Aurora

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