Hahahaha! Milosevic hardly invented ethnic cleansing! That's the funniest thing I heard in a long time. You never heard about what Germans did to the Jews during the Second WW? Or what Christians did to the Jews most of the time? Or what Poles did to the Germans of Silesia after the Second WW? Or what Americans did to their own citizens of Japanese extraction during the Second WW?
Ethnic cleansing is God given method in the Old Testament, many times over. It became unfashionable only recently and only among the most progressive of cultures and (my pessimistic nature tells me) only because it's not needed at this time. But how many currently living citizens of USA and some other countries would love to engage in some of it when it comes to Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, foreigners, non-christians, Christians of other denominations, etc, etc, etc?
Just because we had the name for the thing ...duponthumaniteMarch 17 2006, 08:29:01 UTC
Pan Jurek, I am very naive in the ways of the world as you can see. I was only a girl of 13 when Milosevic came into the world, but I have learnt much in the past 15 and so years. All the examples you cite are valid examples of ethnic cleansing. But I am sure they were only recognised as such when Milosevic came into the picture. Just because we have the name for the thing ... I find it really disturbing to think it's God given. I find the Poles doing the Germans in Silesia really disturbing too, on a number of levels. And to think we could be doing it now but we hold back because of our pretenses to civilisation. I don't quite share your pessimism, though.
Re: Just because we had the name for the thing ...jurekMarch 20 2006, 02:59:38 UTC
Yea, it's a sign of progress that we suddenly assigned a name with a negative connotation to what used to be a perfectly normal and accepted process of mass killing of whole nations because of their ethnicity. Milosevic just got caught in that shift of opinions, in the self-righteousness of the West. But was he any more of a criminal than G.W.Bush is? These courts are the courts of the winners. Was USA ever in court over the indiscriminate killing of civilians in the fire bombing of Germany, or A-Bombing Japan? Why not? Because USA won the war.
And we would spare Milosevic as well if he was useful to us somehow. Our governments shake the hands of many butchers much worse than Milosevic. Because it's expedient.
There is no morality in politics, only expediency. We let the courts in Hague deal with the folks that are no longer useful. The courts put up a show that makes the little folks feel like there is a justice in this world.
Re: Just because we had the name for the thing ...duponthumaniteMarch 21 2006, 09:26:48 UTC
You're right, it's not very fair that the US wasn't in court. They so should be, if only because they rejected the international court.
I think all this criminality comes around the same point - the lack of tolerance and compassion in government and how government manouevres around ordinary people's prejudice.
Anyway Milosevic is buried now so the question is academic. Or do you mean trial by media, Jurek?
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Ethnic cleansing is God given method in the Old Testament, many times over. It became unfashionable only recently and only among the most progressive of cultures and (my pessimistic nature tells me) only because it's not needed at this time. But how many currently living citizens of USA and some other countries would love to engage in some of it when it comes to Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, foreigners, non-christians, Christians of other denominations, etc, etc, etc?
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I am very naive in the ways of the world as you can see.
I was only a girl of 13 when Milosevic came into the world, but I have learnt much in the past 15 and so years.
All the examples you cite are valid examples of ethnic cleansing. But I am sure they were only recognised as such when Milosevic came into the picture. Just because we have the name for the thing ...
I find it really disturbing to think it's God given.
I find the Poles doing the Germans in Silesia really disturbing too, on a number of levels.
And to think we could be doing it now but we hold back because of our pretenses to civilisation. I don't quite share your pessimism, though.
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And we would spare Milosevic as well if he was useful to us somehow. Our governments shake the hands of many butchers much worse than Milosevic. Because it's expedient.
There is no morality in politics, only expediency. We let the courts in Hague deal with the folks that are no longer useful. The courts put up a show that makes the little folks feel like there is a justice in this world.
Laughable.
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I think all this criminality comes around the same point - the lack of tolerance and compassion in government and how government manouevres around ordinary people's prejudice.
Anyway Milosevic is buried now so the question is academic. Or do you mean trial by media, Jurek?
Adelaide
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