FB arguments with Bigots
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. ~ Mohandas Gandhi
Over on the CBS4 News Facebook page, it was reported that potential GOP nominee for Governor, Scott McInnis, has come out in support of Arizona's new immigration law and would move to institute a similar law here in Colorado if elected.
My comment was "Great. It looks like someone wants to drive the exploding Spanish-speaking voting block into Democratic hands for the foreseeable future. Go for it, Scotty." The debate has been sadly predictable.
Like this from "Becky..."
Not everyone in America is a true American. We have some that are out spoken and stand up for the freedom our families and ancestors fought and died for. Then there are the false Americans who would give away our country and not take a second look back. They are true Liberals who have made it their personal agenda to tear this country apart... See ... See Moremore. They will not rest until they have turned us inside out and turned brother against brother and instagated another civil war on our own soil once again. MY GOD AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE IT"S TO LATE!! Let the states do what is needed to remove these criminals from our soil and send them back to their home country where ever that may be. They come here and are exploited by people that use them as slave labor.If you want to come down on something protest the Americans that exploit illegals for personal gain, or dont you care about that? I call that modern day slavery with a different national origin. Hey Al Sharpten why not take up that fight, that is a real issue.
My reply:
The law states (copied and pasted from the text of the law, available in .pdf form at http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/16/AzSB1070.pdf... please pardon the CAPS)
E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
This alone is so vaguely worded that it invites abuse. Basically, an officer can stop you for, say, loitering or creating a public nuisance or any other offense either real or perceived of which they conceive.
It does state that this can occur for any "lawful contact" which some seem to feel implies some sort of primary infraction like speeding. Civil libertarians do not believe that to be the case.
I think, @Becky, your argument fails when you attack "liberals" as being somehow "less American" than you. You see yourself as some ultra-Patriot whose motives are above reproach or question. You "love" this country while "they" try to "tear this country apart."
Look. I love this country. I love our Constitution and the ideals upon which this country was founded. If you truly love this country, where were you when our government decided it was OK to torture people or spy on its citizens without warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment? Where was the outrage when our leaders ran us off the cliff into two disastrously expensive wars in terms of both lives and treasure under blatantly false pretense?
In one breathless paragraph, you slander all undocumented aliens as "criminals on our soil" who need to be sent home only to then claim that you are trying to "protect them" from the evils of slave labor. So get them the hell out of our country before they're exploited? Is that the rationale?
Again, I do believe that our government is failing in its duty to secure our borders, but this law, besides attempting to codify its own state-run foreign policy, fails on the basic Constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure. Not unreasonable to the aliens, but to Americans... those "other lesser Americans" who, I hate to tell you, are every bit as American as you who will be victimized by this law for no other reason but that they "look foreign."
What does an illegal alien look like? They look a like lot Americans. That's the problem.
Over on the CBS4 News Facebook page, it was reported that potential GOP nominee for Governor, Scott McInnis, has come out in support of Arizona's new immigration law and would move to institute a similar law here in Colorado if elected.
My comment was "Great. It looks like someone wants to drive the exploding Spanish-speaking voting block into Democratic hands for the foreseeable future. Go for it, Scotty." The debate has been sadly predictable.
Like this from "Becky..."
Not everyone in America is a true American. We have some that are out spoken and stand up for the freedom our families and ancestors fought and died for. Then there are the false Americans who would give away our country and not take a second look back. They are true Liberals who have made it their personal agenda to tear this country apart... See ... See Moremore. They will not rest until they have turned us inside out and turned brother against brother and instagated another civil war on our own soil once again. MY GOD AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE IT"S TO LATE!! Let the states do what is needed to remove these criminals from our soil and send them back to their home country where ever that may be. They come here and are exploited by people that use them as slave labor.If you want to come down on something protest the Americans that exploit illegals for personal gain, or dont you care about that? I call that modern day slavery with a different national origin. Hey Al Sharpten why not take up that fight, that is a real issue.
My reply:
The law states (copied and pasted from the text of the law, available in .pdf form at http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/16/AzSB1070.pdf... please pardon the CAPS)
E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.
This alone is so vaguely worded that it invites abuse. Basically, an officer can stop you for, say, loitering or creating a public nuisance or any other offense either real or perceived of which they conceive.
It does state that this can occur for any "lawful contact" which some seem to feel implies some sort of primary infraction like speeding. Civil libertarians do not believe that to be the case.
I think, @Becky, your argument fails when you attack "liberals" as being somehow "less American" than you. You see yourself as some ultra-Patriot whose motives are above reproach or question. You "love" this country while "they" try to "tear this country apart."
Look. I love this country. I love our Constitution and the ideals upon which this country was founded. If you truly love this country, where were you when our government decided it was OK to torture people or spy on its citizens without warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment? Where was the outrage when our leaders ran us off the cliff into two disastrously expensive wars in terms of both lives and treasure under blatantly false pretense?
In one breathless paragraph, you slander all undocumented aliens as "criminals on our soil" who need to be sent home only to then claim that you are trying to "protect them" from the evils of slave labor. So get them the hell out of our country before they're exploited? Is that the rationale?
Again, I do believe that our government is failing in its duty to secure our borders, but this law, besides attempting to codify its own state-run foreign policy, fails on the basic Constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure. Not unreasonable to the aliens, but to Americans... those "other lesser Americans" who, I hate to tell you, are every bit as American as you who will be victimized by this law for no other reason but that they "look foreign."
What does an illegal alien look like? They look a like lot Americans. That's the problem.