I totally agree with you on Buffy and Spike! (And Buffy with Angel; it was not a mature relationship and say what you will about "how much she loved him", at the end of the day, he preferred her to be young and uncertain, because that meant he could be the "big hero" - Spike was more than happy with her being mature and grown up, and I think actually preferred it that way, and wanted her to become even more independent - so long as she didn't kick him to the curb, but then if she had been less focused on what her friends thought (wrongly and with complete bias!) then she wouldn't have been hiding that they were together)
And I didn't think I'd get so long-winded, but I guess I haven't talked (or thought) much about them lately. Except last night I stumbled across a video on youtube (when looking for something else, of course) with "Buffy mentions in TV" and one of the clips included some idiot saying that Buffy and Angel belonged together. Hell no. I only liked Angel in LA, where he was a much better character too.
Where was I? Ah yes; aside from having heard of Avatar (but never seen) and of course Star Wars and Friends (agree with you on Rachel/Ross!) and Harry Potter (of course) I don't think I've really heard about any of these other shows. (I guess Happy Days, but I've never really seen it.) So this was interesting!
They were my first ship and will always have a special place in my heart. It was how I discovered fanfiction and through that I also analysed their relationship, and Buffy's relationship with Angel, so I guess I can't take all the credit (although they are my own thoughts, as I don't exactly remember details of other people's thoughts, it was so long ago!).
I didn't watch Angel regularly, but I have seen not quite half of the series (mainly I watched episodes where people from Buffy visited, but from all that I do know of it, he was much more grown-up on Angel). That said, don't watch it if you like the Spike that he became on Buffy, because the Spike of S5 of Angel is a poorly drawn caricature of the Spike the writers imagine he must've turned into based on S2 of Buffy (if even that). They completely wrecked him and his growth and all for a few cheap laughs that no one who loved Spike thought was funny.
And I didn't think I'd get so long-winded, but I guess I haven't talked (or thought) much about them lately. Except last night I stumbled across a video on youtube (when looking for something else, of course) with "Buffy mentions in TV" and one of the clips included some idiot saying that Buffy and Angel belonged together. Hell no. I only liked Angel in LA, where he was a much better character too.
Where was I? Ah yes; aside from having heard of Avatar (but never seen) and of course Star Wars and Friends (agree with you on Rachel/Ross!) and Harry Potter (of course) I don't think I've really heard about any of these other shows. (I guess Happy Days, but I've never really seen it.) So this was interesting!
Which have you been a shipper for the longest?
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I didn't watch Angel regularly, but I have seen not quite half of the series (mainly I watched episodes where people from Buffy visited, but from all that I do know of it, he was much more grown-up on Angel). That said, don't watch it if you like the Spike that he became on Buffy, because the Spike of S5 of Angel is a poorly drawn caricature of the Spike the writers imagine he must've turned into based on S2 of Buffy (if even that). They completely wrecked him and his growth and all for a few cheap laughs that no one who loved Spike thought was funny.
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