Open up your eyes

Jul 03, 2005 16:48

You know, these entries are going to go unnoticed since no one's around (hardly) on a holiday weekend. *le sigh*

I don't care. There are just a couple political issues I need to get out there.

The ONE Campaign

Are we all really being duped/lied to, or does it really matter?

ascii_70_85 brings up a good point in this entry in that the Live 8/ONE campaign ( Read more... )

life - politics, music - indies

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Selective reasoning? ascii_70_85 July 10 2005, 21:07:29 UTC
You said when someone sent you a mix CD that It would make you actually go out and buy the albums. The mix CD stole the songs, but it made you go out and buy them. The artist benefited by the theft.
You said when someone sent you a mix CD that It would make you actually go out and buy the albums. The mix CD stole the songs, but it made you go out and buy them. The artist benefited by the theft.
I think you are using selective reasoning here.

If someone makes you a mixed CD. I believe they are violating copyright agreements. The only way they are not is if they, buy the music they burn for you off of iTunes (or something like that), and do not use it for themselves after they burn it for you, or if it's 'open source' like some live Grateful Dead recordings.

You may make backup copies of CD-ROMS you buy (I don't know if such 'rights' extend to audio recordings), so that if your copies become damaged you can use the back-up or vice-versa. But buying the CD does not give you any legal right to copy it for use by others. It's amounts to the same thing as Napster.

Like I said regardless of source if the recipient of the Mix CD, is exposed to material they were unaware of, or they didn't know they enjoyed, as they did ... , they go out and buy it. Thus allowing the artist to profit from the theft.

Obviously not a sound business model, but better than what's being portrayed.

e.g. This girl used to car-pool me to school. She had great taste in music. She made me a mixed CD for me to listen to over the summer... unfortunately it got eaten after a year or so. I kept the case... then around napster area, I 'reconstructed' it as a CD ... I had many of my own CDs to draw from because I had gotten things I like from it over the years (Cure, Ramones, Dead Milkmen, Pixies, Beatles, Red Hot Chili Peppers). Napster just filled in a few of the gaps.

However, I do know a lot of people who don't make mixed CDs the way I do, so I guess there really is no way of telling.
Unless you can further justify why not, it's stealing. Certainly nicer in some cases than others.

I just know that I just can't stand hearing so many people think it's okay to download a whole album before they think it's worth buying.
Yeah, I agree with you there. It kills whatever good music is left which isn't that much it seems lately. I am bad occasionally ... but I really don't like stealing albums. That's weak depending.

I do thedailysong tomorrow (07/11/05), unless otherwise noted.

Sorry I 'dropped the ball' on Thursday... {shrugs} not a biggie, but it shouldn't happen again (unless otherwise noted).

Have a good day.

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Re: Selective reasoning? dove95 July 10 2005, 21:27:55 UTC
Yeah, okay, i hear you about stealing and infringing on copyrights. That's the thing that gets me about mixed CDs and mixed tapes (back in the day)? I mean, I still don't get the difference between taping from the radio any different than taping the songs from a CD and sending that out to a friend, and then in turn it gets them to buy the whole album? This law doesn't really take that into consideration, does it?

I guess, by and large, not many people are buying CDs according to the "big people."

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taping radio. ascii_70_85 July 12 2005, 02:00:50 UTC
...taping from the radio...
If one is going to split hairs, I think that's illegal too {shrugs}. Well not exactly. Like if one were to distribute something, or re-broadcast for profit (maybe?). I don't think it's 100% on the up and up... it's the same idea.

... law doesn't really take that into consideration, does it?
Laws are supposed to be 100% solid to protect the owner of the property (as long as the owners are big companies - Kelo vs. New London). I think this prevents any distribution of their product without the creator's/company's consent.

I guess, by and large, not many people are buying CDs according to the "big people."
Nevermind that the music generally isn't as good, as it used to be.
Radio sucks... and the main mtv turning it's back on videos. What's a great movement in rock since the whole grunge thing?
Name a great band which has come out in the past 10 years, to wide popular success?

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10 years old . . . dove95 July 12 2005, 02:54:00 UTC
Name a great band which has come out in the past 10 years, to wide popular success?

Coldplay--altho some would argue that they're either rip-offs of U2 or Radiohead. I like 'em tho.

Imogen Heap/Frou Frou--Her first album came out in 1998, but Frou Frou (the band) is pretty successful, I'd say because of the whole "Let Go" / Garden State exposure.

Ben Folds/Five--Have some flexibility here. Their first album came out on June 12, 1995, but I don't think they hit it until "Brick" came out. Not really sure if they're "popular."

Dixie Chicks--They make country music fun, and it's not all that stereotypical country bullshit. "Goodbye Earl" from their second album is like what the movie Mortal Thoughts should've been.

But really, that's all I can think of from the last ten years.

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Rock '95-'05 ascii_70_85 July 12 2005, 03:28:27 UTC
Name a great band which has come out in the past 10 years, to wide popular success?

Coldplay
Perhaps, It's definitely their year.
I've even dug some of the songs ('The Scientist').
now, ... name another?

Imogen Heap/Frou Frou
Probably a good band...
but that's not what this is about.
... to most of the rest of the world a one hit wonder. I don't know their name, just the music that goes with the 'Garden State' trailer.

Ben Folds/Five--Have some flexibility here. Their first album came out on June 12, 1995, but I don't think they hit it until "Brick" came out. Not really sure if they're "popular."
I know of them... I know "Brick"...
Not really.

Dixie Chicks--They make country music fun, and it's not all that stereotypical country bullshit. "Goodbye Earl" from their second album is like what the movie Mortal Thoughts should've been.
I was more meaning rock, and ...
NO!

But really, that's all I can think of from the last ten years.
That's cause there really hasn't been. This is because rock and roll has generally been killed.
50's Buddy Holly, Elvis, Little Richard etc. etc.
60's Beach Boys, Beatles, Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Grateful Dead, etc. etc.
70's Doors, Kiss, Allman Bros., Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, etc.
80's Cars, Police, REM, U2, The Cure Metalica, Guns and Roses, etc.
90's Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins, Marlyn Manson... ?

Now Rock is no longer really a force... it's just a good fringe band here and there... I don't blame Nirvana grunge for pushing the limits, or even bands out there for not being as good (I'm sure many of them are), I don't even blame the kids (and me) for stealing the music. I think at some point the mainstream marketing .. gave up on rock.

In a sense this is just as well as rock isn't about them.
With rock you can't market shoes, bling bling, alcohol (well not exactly), or materialism in general.
Rock is about (or is supposed to be about rebellion, excitement and passion). Hard to market that stuff.

You look at iTunes, only half the stuff in their top 100 is current. It really astounds me.

Unfortunately without marketing these bands will die quicker and go unnoticed. I think this goes back to the record industry blaming theft for their troubles. There's a lot of money to be made, and they are letting it go to video games and slacks so the kids can look preppie ... ugh.

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Re: thedailysong dove95 July 10 2005, 21:35:21 UTC
btw, in my mind's eye, there's no such thing as dropping the ball. You can have a life too, even if you say you're "not real."

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