From what I've read so far, I feel that your dreamscape is perfectly accurate. However, I have a slightly different view of who Watanuki might be
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I fail to follow TRC line, so I didn't include facts from it in my assumptions :) And I don't try to think who Watanuki is exactly, but patiently wait for Yuuko to answer.
Everybody make connection with Clow. Watanuki himself resembles Eriol a lot (there were some pictures in early chapters with calm Wata that gave out "eriol-wibes"). I conpletely agree with you about Doumeki and Ko being Wata's guardians and anchors to the mandain world. All this time Yuuko tried to teach Wata that his existence is important. That he has friends that would be said without him, that others are ready to make sacrifises for him, that he should value his own life. Watanuki's choice is going to be vital for everybody... but why? He isn't just a mere creation, that's for sure.
Whats with Shaoran? Can you explain it to me? I've got completely lost with TRC because it progress so slowly and I'm not that interested to reread everything to catch up.
"...I don't try to think who Watanuki is exactly, but patiently wait for Yuuko to answer."
-- Unfortunately, I have no patience what so ever. LOL!
"Everybody make connection with Clow. Watanuki himself resembles Eriol a lot (there were some pictures in early chapters with calm Wata that gave out "eriol-wibes")."
-- That spooky resemblance is exactly where I got the idea that Watanuki has some form of connection to Clow -- and Eriol.
"All this time Yuuko tried to teach Wata that his existence is important. That he has friends that would be sad without him, that others are ready to make sacrifices for him, that he should value his own life..."
-- In the world of Manga, very frequently the reason the hero refuses to give up and die in a battle with what appears to be an overwhelming villain, is because they are fighting to protect their friends and loved ones.
Watanuki's choice is going to be vital for everybody... but why?" -- Yuuko has a vested interest in the magical war taking place in the Tsubasa Chronicles. There is a
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"Watanuki's choice is going to be vital for everybody... but why?"
-- Watanuki's choice clearly has something to do with his particular ability to see -- and ATTRACT spirits. Perhaps his friendship with the vestal sprite, the foxes, and his introduction to the Great Tree from his walk in the demon parade will encourage warriors from the spiritual world to assist in the fight against the nasty sorcerer in Tsubasa?
Something to note... -- Doumeki gave his BLOOD in to assist in saving Watanuki. If Watanuki wasn't completely human, Doumeki's blood would have changed that. Doumeki's blood would also make Watanuki a sort of sibling to Doumeki, and therefore make him a sort of grandson of Haruka.
Yuuko says to Watanuki that he is a human. Meaning he is not a ghost like Bone-kun, he is not a deity like kitsune... but we don't know if Watanuki was born usual or magical way (like Yukito)... But Yuuko speaks about him as a "corpse". Does she means his "vehicle" by the corpse? Maybe Watanuki's original body was destroyed (or he have been divided from it), his soul stays in the dream-dimension and his magic projects his image into the mundane world. Doumeki gives him human blood, Himawari and others acknowledge his existence, thus making the vehicle more real, more alive, more suitable for the soul to be transfered for good. Gods are alive till somebody believe in them, something like this.
Wata attracts spirits less and less, is it because he looses his core magic? Or is it because he stay longer in his dream-dimension and other dreams where evil-ghost can't reach him?
He attracks spirits less because as Kohane said he is actually blending with Doumeki. Their bond is becoming deeper and they are technically part of each other.
Something to consider: Bone-kun attracted spirits exactly the same way as Watanuki - and Bone-kun was a ghost.
"Wata attracts spirits less and less..." - Bone-kun's gave his relic (his bone) to Watanuki on his first day of Middle School. This relic allowed Watanuki to live spirit-free until the bone disintegrated. (Anime episode 24) Apparently it disintegrated around the time he graduated from middle school and entered high school, where he met Doumeki & Himawari-chan
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Well, how much do you want to know about TRC? Because to truly answer that question--as to who Syaoran is in TRC--you need to know when in the series you are asking that question. Do you want to know who Syaoran is now, at the equivalent time in TRC? Because who Syaoran is has changed a great deal since the series began.
The answer ookami_kasumi gave you about who Syaoran is was somewhat accurate for someone who hasn't read the series. I am up to date in both series: Chapter 165 in TRC and Chapter 144 in HOLiC, so I can give you a more complete answer if you wish so because the situation with Syaoran is a great deal more complicated than it seems.
Sorry, I keep budding into others conversation, please forgive me but I just can't help myself.
no prob. I've read all TRC. Newest chapters including, so I know about real Syaoran and his clone. But there were some huge breaks in reading the manga... so I did lost the plot-line a few times. Some people say that Watanuki is Sayoran creation and Yuuko states that the bond between the two are the most strong one. Why is it so I can't understand due to lack of knowing TRC basics.
Yuuko states that the bond between the two are the most strong one.
That is what makes the identity of Watanuki so elusive--trying to find out how they have such a strong bond when, like Watanuki said, Watanuki only met him that one time in passing is just a great mystery.
I still love your entire analysis of the dream world and the real world--it helped me understand things so much better because it was giving me such a headache trying to understand the two different worlds.
My pleasure :) I'd been confused with the bed with butterfly curtains for a long, but after seeing Yuuko wearing butterfly obi for the second time everything became clear. I checked out chapters with Haruka and Sakura, the sakura tree was there! (1st april, sakura blooming time....)
By all means, please let me know what you come up with. I DON'T have all the facts, as I'm not all that familiar with the rest of the CLAMP books, so I could be way off base.
"Sakura-chan says: I think he is connected to Syaroan because the real Syaoran paid the price of seven years to keep Watanuki, to keep him alive"
Wow... that really struck me... Let's assume Watanuki and his parents were involved in some deadly situation seven years ago (I can't recall them ever saying how old Watanuki is or how long ago his parents died). Syaoran paid for seven years to keep Watanuki alive until now... maybe until the moment he has to decide to live in the dream or real world? Maybe until he has sufficent payment to continue to live past just the seven years? Or something, IDK, really random half-theories here.
Watanuki just turned 17 in the first chapter that will be in volume 12... So that would mean he was 10 when Syaoran did that. I believe he and Syaoran are the same age though... And the price Syaoran paid was used to keep Watanuki alive when he fell from the window. so yeah... I actually don't think it has anything to do with his current dream state.
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And I don't try to think who Watanuki is exactly, but patiently wait for Yuuko to answer.
Everybody make connection with Clow. Watanuki himself resembles Eriol a lot (there were some pictures in early chapters with calm Wata that gave out "eriol-wibes"). I conpletely agree with you about Doumeki and Ko being Wata's guardians and anchors to the mandain world.
All this time Yuuko tried to teach Wata that his existence is important. That he has friends that would be said without him, that others are ready to make sacrifises for him, that he should value his own life.
Watanuki's choice is going to be vital for everybody... but why? He isn't just a mere creation, that's for sure.
Whats with Shaoran? Can you explain it to me? I've got completely lost with TRC because it progress so slowly and I'm not that interested to reread everything to catch up.
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-- Unfortunately, I have no patience what so ever. LOL!
"Everybody make connection with Clow. Watanuki himself resembles Eriol a lot (there were some pictures in early chapters with calm Wata that gave out "eriol-wibes")."
-- That spooky resemblance is exactly where I got the idea that Watanuki has some form of connection to Clow -- and Eriol.
"All this time Yuuko tried to teach Wata that his existence is important. That he has friends that would be sad without him, that others are ready to make sacrifices for him, that he should value his own life..."
-- In the world of Manga, very frequently the reason the hero refuses to give up and die in a battle with what appears to be an overwhelming villain, is because they are fighting to protect their friends and loved ones.
Watanuki's choice is going to be vital for everybody... but why?" -- Yuuko has a vested interest in the magical war taking place in the Tsubasa Chronicles. There is a ( ... )
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"Watanuki's choice is going to be vital for everybody... but why?"
-- Watanuki's choice clearly has something to do with his particular ability to see -- and ATTRACT spirits. Perhaps his friendship with the vestal sprite, the foxes, and his introduction to the Great Tree from his walk in the demon parade will encourage warriors from the spiritual world to assist in the fight against the nasty sorcerer in Tsubasa?
Something to note...
-- Doumeki gave his BLOOD in to assist in saving Watanuki. If Watanuki wasn't completely human, Doumeki's blood would have changed that. Doumeki's blood would also make Watanuki a sort of sibling to Doumeki, and therefore make him a sort of grandson of Haruka.
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Gods are alive till somebody believe in them, something like this.
Wata attracts spirits less and less, is it because he looses his core magic? Or is it because he stay longer in his dream-dimension and other dreams where evil-ghost can't reach him?
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"Wata attracts spirits less and less..." - Bone-kun's gave his relic (his bone) to Watanuki on his first day of Middle School. This relic allowed Watanuki to live spirit-free until the bone disintegrated. (Anime episode 24) Apparently it disintegrated around the time he graduated from middle school and entered high school, where he met Doumeki & Himawari-chan ( ... )
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Well, how much do you want to know about TRC? Because to truly answer that question--as to who Syaoran is in TRC--you need to know when in the series you are asking that question. Do you want to know who Syaoran is now, at the equivalent time in TRC? Because who Syaoran is has changed a great deal since the series began.
The answer ookami_kasumi gave you about who Syaoran is was somewhat accurate for someone who hasn't read the series. I am up to date in both series: Chapter 165 in TRC and Chapter 144 in HOLiC, so I can give you a more complete answer if you wish so because the situation with Syaoran is a great deal more complicated than it seems.
Sorry, I keep budding into others conversation, please forgive me but I just can't help myself.
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I've read all TRC. Newest chapters including, so I know about real Syaoran and his clone. But there were some huge breaks in reading the manga... so I did lost the plot-line a few times.
Some people say that Watanuki is Sayoran creation and Yuuko states that the bond between the two are the most strong one. Why is it so I can't understand due to lack of knowing TRC basics.
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That is what makes the identity of Watanuki so elusive--trying to find out how they have such a strong bond when, like Watanuki said, Watanuki only met him that one time in passing is just a great mystery.
I still love your entire analysis of the dream world and the real world--it helped me understand things so much better because it was giving me such a headache trying to understand the two different worlds.
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I'd been confused with the bed with butterfly curtains for a long, but after seeing Yuuko wearing butterfly obi for the second time everything became clear. I checked out chapters with Haruka and Sakura, the sakura tree was there! (1st april, sakura blooming time....)
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I think he is connected to Syaroan because the real Syaoran paid the price of seven years to keep Watanuki, to keep him alive"
Wow... that really struck me... Let's assume Watanuki and his parents were involved in some deadly situation seven years ago (I can't recall them ever saying how old Watanuki is or how long ago his parents died). Syaoran paid for seven years to keep Watanuki alive until now... maybe until the moment he has to decide to live in the dream or real world? Maybe until he has sufficent payment to continue to live past just the seven years? Or something, IDK, really random half-theories here.
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