Bullshit! Get your hot-buttered patriarchal bullshit!

[ladydreamtime]

Would you mind giving me the names of the "several people" spouting this alpha-male nonsense, so I know to never date them?

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[arabwel]

Do you read Finnish? cause this has been a MASSIVE ton of stupid-ass BS spouted in the FInnish blogosphere about "Lovwer level men" and how lack of sex is a masculinist issue and so on and so on and so on - including the polyamory angle. I have not followed it very closely but it is perfectly understandable that he'd want to get a more international opinion on the issue.

I've known

[sxxk1ttn]

i think i'm confused as to why he- as an "as far from sexist asshat as you can get" kinda guy- is even deigning to give such a prerogative this amount of mental weight in the first place. especially since you point out it is a topic and perspective held by masculinists.

people are at the far end of being invested in feminist discourse and ideology wouldn't consider this to be a legitimate exercise in mental gymnastics to begin with for any number of psychological, social, biological, financial, etc etc reasons, not just feminist ones. it wouldn't matter what the international opinion is because it's a flawed argument in the first place. the only reason one would need to get confirmation internationally would be to validate a personally held opinion, otherwise it's so absurd that you certainly don't need to validate that internationally since you don't subscribe to it so it doesn't matter what the other kids at school think.

[arabwel]

Tbh, I don't know. I jsut stand by my opinion of Xue as not just a Decent Human being, but also one who is Trying To Do Something About Stuff Thats Not Right. I'm not a mind-reader.

[sxxk1ttn]

so, is panuhorsmalahti your buddy or xuenay? or is he a sock for one of you guys?

because either way, one of you invited the guy with lots of feelings about how men should be allowed to rape everyone and be socially applauded for it into the conversation and that doesn't really say much for your questionable judgement about men or your vouching for the character and credibility of xuenay and his associates.

GOOD JOB!

[arabwel]

... you really have it all upside down, do yo?

Google the name "Panu Horsmalahti" and you will find that this guy is a) for real b) running for office and c) one of the people who started the whole goddamn mess in the .FI blogosphere.

Here is a link to his one LJ entry as it was posted originally in Finnish: http://horsmalahti.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/48341-seksin-puute-tasa-arvo-ongelmana (google tranlslate should roughly confirm it) Note the date.

Xue is one of the people who have posted refuttals on this and called him out on his BS.

[arabwel]

Also: I have no bloody idea how he found this thread, but i suspect sf_D had something to do with it. §

[tisiphone]

No, sweetie. He was the cause of the sf_d post, not its effect, and he was well underway when that was posted.

[arabwel]

Patronizing always gets you so far. Suffice to say, I dont keep track of every single post I have made comments in so i had no idea he had been making a fool out of himself here. Like I said, no idea how he ended up in here.

[tisiphone]

You made a stupid and easily disproved comment that demonstrated exactly how observant and thoughtful you are. Patronization got me exactly as far as I needed it to.

[arabwel]

You know you are being bitchy and ridiculous, right?

[tisiphone]

Well, one of us is, yeah.

[sxxk1ttn]

man, i am giving this chick the side eye SO FUCKING HARD right now.

[wildeabandon]

I suppose one plausible explanation might be that he wanted confirmation for his opinion that it's complete rot? (I don't know the guy, but I've seen him challenging sexist assumptions in other places, so he gets some benefit of the doubt from me)

[sxxk1ttn]

you know, i can ask my LJ buddies if 2x2 is REALLY TRULY 4, but that doesn't mean i don't look mighty silly for asking.

[arxacies]

Well, it depends.

Let's say you were involved in a blogosphere and everyone started saying that men were evil beasts who ate babies. Now at first you might dismiss it out of hand(I mean, really? Who eats babies?) but then if person after person that you respected and in some cases admired said over and over again that men were evil beasts that eat babies you might start to wonder if they are right and you are the one who didn't see it. This would lead you to talk to friends that aren't involved with this blogosphere, co-workers, family, and(depending on how many people you know that believe that men are evil beasts that eat babies) finally to a public forum such as an LJ community.

[xuenay]

Well, for one, the theory's attracting a rather large amount of attention in the blogosphere in question, and a lot of people are being influenced and giving it a lot more weight than they should be. That's likely to be actively harmful to people trying to form relationships. Which implies that the theory needs a rebuttal, but one cannot write a rebuttal that actually convinces the people convinced by the theory unless one spends enough time thinking about the theory and the arguments to know the exact reasons for why they're wrong