Doctor Who 6x11

Sep 18, 2011 22:54

(ETA: I'm going to leave this post unLocked for a while. At least until the end of the current series.)

Okay, I finished rewatching (and taking two pages worth of notes on) the last episode of Doctor Who. Yes, I took notes on a television show. It's not as though it's new territory to me, since I would take notes on entertainment often in my ( Read more... )

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mswyrr September 19 2011, 07:54:36 UTC
You just blew my mind! I LOVE it. I really hope your right, because this would be amazing.

If there had been three actual dead bodies within the PROGRAM, wouldn't they have ended up there with them? It also was intriguing to me because of the fact Gibbis was still there.

EXCELLENT POINT! I can't believe I didn't notice that.

A Doctor who has no faith in himself or why he does what he does is at a disadvantage. He's better off with somebody, not only to call him on his bullshit but to PROTECT him. He's vulnerable alone. We know these people have pulled elaborate schemes to get at him before, why not plop him in some hotel and set him up to fail? Kind of funny, that speech the minotaur made at the end, when you think of it in those terms.

My heart is all break-y now! OH. And I love that his speech can read as him *disillusioning himself*. Or, rather, expressing his disillusionment with himself brought on by the trap. Which makes sense of why he's so much gentler about it with Amy than he was with Ace in The Curse of Fenric: in CoF, he was targeting Ace's weaknesses, but here he's been mindfucked and he's speaking out of that.

One other bit that I forgot to point out, was something the minotaur said in his first talk with the Doctor. "You have lived so long even your name is lost. Because you are just instinct." I know he was supposed to translating it as though he were talking to the minotaur, using "you" instead of "I", but it sounds sorta like Nine when he first met Rose. He had no reason to be out there, he was simply going through the motions of what he'd done before the Time War. The name thing ... pretty obvious. Maybe the Doctor doesn't even know his real name anymore?

Ooooh! MOAR YUMMY THOUGHTS. ((om nom nom nom))

If you're right, I will be SO HAPPY.

Is it all right if I quote you and link to this post on Tumblr?

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mswyrr September 19 2011, 07:55:53 UTC
Wait, nevermind. I just saw the post is flocked so you definitely wouldn't want me quoting it. Sorry!

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donna_c_punk September 19 2011, 08:16:09 UTC
I don't mind my posts/comments being quoted with my permission. Actually, I went FO because of random assholes being assholes in my LJ space. So, long story short, it's cool. ;)

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mswyrr September 19 2011, 08:23:24 UTC
Oh!! YAYZ. Quoting away, then.

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donna_c_punk September 19 2011, 20:38:35 UTC
Lemme know if anyone else believes in my bullshit. :)

I've been thinking about reposting this review to doctoreleven, though, so you may have the opportunity to link to it somewhere, if you still want to do it. I'm rather shocked not even ONE other person in this massive fandom took the episode the same way I did.

EDIT: I unlocked this post. It will be unlocked for a while.

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mswyrr September 20 2011, 03:50:58 UTC
Oh! Excellent. Yeah. Because I tried to figure out how to quote without linking and still explain your argument sufficiently and couldn't quite get that to work. But now that challenge is overcome! ((cheers))((rushes off to Tumblr))

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mswyrr September 20 2011, 04:15:36 UTC
Quoted and recced your post here. It's only been minutes but two people have "liked" your idea already! :D

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donna_c_punk September 20 2011, 04:28:49 UTC
It'll be interesting to see how my interpretation plays with the fandom. I did see a post on WD from someone else who had a very similar take on the ep, too. Several comments seemed open to the idea that this was all an elaborate scheme to get the Doctor to tear himself down.

I had another thought about Gibbis, too. When the Doctor described how passive-aggressive (or something) the Tivolian surrenders are, it made me think even more Gibbis is working for the Silence or the Order of the Question people. Resistence is exhausting, and what better way to appease his new evil overlords than to take part in fucking with someone he's probably been led to believe is Evil Incarnate?

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mswyrr September 20 2011, 04:49:30 UTC
It'll be interesting to see how my interpretation plays with the fandom. I did see a post on WD from someone else who had a very similar take on the ep, too. Several comments seemed open to the idea that this was all an elaborate scheme to get the Doctor to tear himself down.

I think it would be cool if you decided to share it on one of the main comms! The reaction on Tumblr will probably be biased by the fact that a lot of people over there are sick with me for talking about the problems inherent in the Doctor calling Amy "Amy Williams" and then giving her a house.

One of the reasons I really, really like your idea is that it makes that whole thing the Doctor did with her a huge mistake on his part, a byproduct of being mindfucked into despair.

I had another thought about Gibbis, too. When the Doctor described how passive-aggressive (or something) the Tivolian surrenders are, it made me think even more Gibbis is working for the Silence or the Order of the Question people. Resistence is exhausting, and what better way to appease his new evil overlords than to take part in fucking with someone he's probably been led to believe is Evil Incarnate?

Yep. That totally works. And to back up your point even more of Gibbis being the only real person in the hotel apart from the Doctor et al: it was his planet the prison ship was floating over, not the planet of Rita, Howie or Joe. Rory didn't see any planet that looked like earth down there, right? Why would the ship only be close to the planet of one person it snatched when they were all supposedly grabbed at the same time?

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mswyrr September 20 2011, 04:57:05 UTC
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donna_c_punk September 20 2011, 19:18:19 UTC
I definitely agree about the flaws. Overall, so far, I haven't enjoyed season six as much as I have the last one. Then I'm not as in love with River Song as the rest of fandom, either.

Sidenote: I'm going to screen the above comment I made about the comms. I just don't need drama related to my opinion about that.

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beccadg September 22 2011, 19:53:20 UTC
Overall, so far, I haven't enjoyed season six as much as I have the last one. Then I'm not as in love with River Song as the rest of fandom, either.

I've only seen one 6th season episode, "The Doctor's Wife," and I did it for two reasons. 1) it was written by Neil Gaiman, and 2) I was promised that it had no River Song in it. I probably will plow through the whole season eventually for Rory, but I'm holding off until it's all over so that I can do it as a straight shot. It's comforting to hear you aren't "as in love with River Song as the rest of fandom."

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donna_c_punk September 23 2011, 02:59:57 UTC
I'm really disappointed in this season and a majority of it is related to River Song. Moffat turned me into a newbie fan with the two part finale last year. But almost as soon as she showed up in the two part premiere, I was back to not liking her. Or the idea of Eleven/River. Then the revelation about Amy and Rory being River's parents and the truth about what happened to River as a baby ... GRRR. It's like Moffat took more than his usual dose of Ass-y Crack this year before writing. If you're interested, a friend of mine wrote a nice short essay on why she was turned off not just River but River/Eleven this series, too: http://mswyrr.livejournal.com/370961.html.

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beccadg September 23 2011, 20:01:05 UTC
Then the revelation about Amy and Rory being River's parents...

I haven't been watching this season, but I wasn't at all surprised when I heard Moff had made River the child of Amy and Rory. She's always felt like a Mary Sue to me, and one of the first questions on any Mary Sue Litmus test is, "Is your character related to any of the canon characters?" My thoughts about River being Amy's and Rory's daughter were, "Oh, of course she's their daughter. She couldn't be the Doctor's and be romantically involved with him. Moff doesn't want to go tying his characters to one's RTD touched so she was never going to be The Master or Captain Jack Harkness. She'd have to be Amy's and Rory's."

...and the truth about what happened to River as a baby ... GRRR.

That I haven't heard. Do I even want to know?

If you're interested, a friend of mine wrote a nice short essay on why she was turned off not just River but River/Eleven this series, too...

Thanks! I'll check it out.

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mswyrr September 20 2011, 05:17:04 UTC
*both not "but"

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