I agree. It wasn't really cleared up exactly what their 'plan' was. 1: The puppeteering seems to have been mutually beneficial so both them and us gained something from it. 2: That seems entirely random and is the most clear bad' thing they did 3: Assuming the silence wasn't literally silence (which I'd always assumed, but who knows for sure) 4: Yeah, that definitly needs clearing up. For all we know (since the suit kept her alive) they could've been helping her. 5: Kidnapping her does seem a bit random though
Yeah, I agree that that Silence does seem to have gone a bit rogue to talk directly to her. After all, speaking directly to her didn't help their cause.
Yeah. Or perhaps he was just worried. After all humanity can be prejudiced and the Silence are scary looking.
I did wonder if they existed elsewhere, it seems logical they did. It also seems reasonable they could still exist that long (after all there's plenty of remote places and humans that don't have tv's) but the problem comes that any member of the Silence, even peaceful ones, now risk death from most humans.
The puppeteering seems to have been mutually beneficial so both them and us gained something from it
We don't know that. We are only told the Silence encouraged humans to go to the moon because they needed the technology (assuming the Doctor is even right about this). That's just one example. They could also have encouraged us to have lots of wars as wars produce new technology at an accelerated rate. The point is that humans were being controlled. If something has that kind of power over you it can use you however it likes.
Also what is scary looking is not an absolute truth. The Silence with their Munch's Scream-like face would strike most people as creepy. But the Silence have been manipulating humans for millennia, they could have just adjusted our collective consciousness to perceive these as non-threatening. After all humans can act against the Silence as long as they are looking at them.
I did wonder if they existed elsewhere, it seems logical they did. It also seems reasonable they could still exist that long (after all there's plenty of remote places and humans that don't have tv's) but the problem comes that any member of the Silence, even peaceful ones, now risk death from most humans.
Well the effect of "Neil Armstrong's foot" only seems to be short term, otherwise Amy, Rory and River would all have gone psycho earlier. So as long as they know to keep away from TV sets or check scheduling they could hang about pretty fine, or even just keep to the underground and in abandonded buildings as they were before.
I have been wondering if there are loads of Silence behind the Iron Curtain at this point. If we assume the whole space race was part of their plan then the would have been fine there for years as the footage would not have been broadcast IIRC.
I don't think it's temporary. I think it's a matter of a paradox... in a sense. Amy, River, and Rory are the CATALYSTS for the Doctor going back in time and thus finding out about the Silence and causing the altered moon footage. In fact, the Doctor insinuates it is not remotely short term, as he says that generations and generations of humans will venture amongst the stars but that they will all go back to look at that one moment. In other words, the Doctor did in fact make it utterly impossible for the humans and the Silence to ever co-exist... not that we REALLY could have anyway. I mean, you don't co-exist with someone you don't remember when you look away. You do technically but you don't KNOW you are.
But we're never told how much the Doctor knows about the Silence either. We know he originally doesn't seem to know what's being spoken about, or at least, I don't think he does at the beginning of Season 5 when he's told the Silence will fall by Prisoner Zero... but I also don't think we can assume that the Doctor has remained clueless this entire time. As someone else said in a completely different post, we may be looking at our most manipulative Doctor yet. Taking that into consideration, we can't know how much he knows and how much he's playacting and if he really DOES know that the Silence are even more evil than we see. I get the distinct impression he does.
Then again, the Doctor is not and has never been infallible when it comes to judging such things. As Nine wanted to immediately kill the Dalek, it was sort of...well, hard to call moment for me. On the one hand, the Dalek had just... killed a bunch of people. On the other hand, i was clear Rose saw something redeemable in it and it was, indeed, pitiable. So was the Doctor 'wrong' in wanting to kill it? Well. A bit maniacal about it, but probably not wrong. It just wasn't, in the end, necessary, and he was willing to give mercy. That was just one example and the Doctor's demonstrated several others in the past.
I could argue that rather than committing any sort of genocide, the Doctor is just giving the human race something they've been robbed of... the ability to fight back. I also wonder to what extent one does not remember a Silence. If you see a Silence but don't know you did, do you still not remember it? Do you still kill it? If Silence are, for example, hooded, do you remember seeing a hooded figure passing you? And if you do remember, does that mean you're not inclined to kill it until you realize what it was? Hm. It makes me wonder.
Anyway, the point is, I think Rory, Amy, and River are within their own timeline as time travelers and NOW they'd kill a Silence when they saw it but prior to actually going back in time and helping everything take place, they would have the subconcious trigger to do so.
1: The puppeteering seems to have been mutually beneficial so both them and us gained something from it.
2: That seems entirely random and is the most clear bad' thing they did
3: Assuming the silence wasn't literally silence (which I'd always assumed, but who knows for sure)
4: Yeah, that definitly needs clearing up. For all we know (since the suit kept her alive) they could've been helping her.
5: Kidnapping her does seem a bit random though
Yeah, I agree that that Silence does seem to have gone a bit rogue to talk directly to her. After all, speaking directly to her didn't help their cause.
Yeah. Or perhaps he was just worried. After all humanity can be prejudiced and the Silence are scary looking.
I did wonder if they existed elsewhere, it seems logical they did. It also seems reasonable they could still exist that long (after all there's plenty of remote places and humans that don't have tv's) but the problem comes that any member of the Silence, even peaceful ones, now risk death from most humans.
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We don't know that. We are only told the Silence encouraged humans to go to the moon because they needed the technology (assuming the Doctor is even right about this). That's just one example. They could also have encouraged us to have lots of wars as wars produce new technology at an accelerated rate. The point is that humans were being controlled. If something has that kind of power over you it can use you however it likes.
Also what is scary looking is not an absolute truth. The Silence with their Munch's Scream-like face would strike most people as creepy. But the Silence have been manipulating humans for millennia, they could have just adjusted our collective consciousness to perceive these as non-threatening. After all humans can act against the Silence as long as they are looking at them.
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Well the effect of "Neil Armstrong's foot" only seems to be short term, otherwise Amy, Rory and River would all have gone psycho earlier. So as long as they know to keep away from TV sets or check scheduling they could hang about pretty fine, or even just keep to the underground and in abandonded buildings as they were before.
I have been wondering if there are loads of Silence behind the Iron Curtain at this point. If we assume the whole space race was part of their plan then the would have been fine there for years as the footage would not have been broadcast IIRC.
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But we're never told how much the Doctor knows about the Silence either. We know he originally doesn't seem to know what's being spoken about, or at least, I don't think he does at the beginning of Season 5 when he's told the Silence will fall by Prisoner Zero... but I also don't think we can assume that the Doctor has remained clueless this entire time. As someone else said in a completely different post, we may be looking at our most manipulative Doctor yet. Taking that into consideration, we can't know how much he knows and how much he's playacting and if he really DOES know that the Silence are even more evil than we see. I get the distinct impression he does.
Then again, the Doctor is not and has never been infallible when it comes to judging such things. As Nine wanted to immediately kill the Dalek, it was sort of...well, hard to call moment for me. On the one hand, the Dalek had just... killed a bunch of people. On the other hand, i was clear Rose saw something redeemable in it and it was, indeed, pitiable. So was the Doctor 'wrong' in wanting to kill it? Well. A bit maniacal about it, but probably not wrong. It just wasn't, in the end, necessary, and he was willing to give mercy. That was just one example and the Doctor's demonstrated several others in the past.
I could argue that rather than committing any sort of genocide, the Doctor is just giving the human race something they've been robbed of... the ability to fight back. I also wonder to what extent one does not remember a Silence. If you see a Silence but don't know you did, do you still not remember it? Do you still kill it? If Silence are, for example, hooded, do you remember seeing a hooded figure passing you? And if you do remember, does that mean you're not inclined to kill it until you realize what it was? Hm. It makes me wonder.
Anyway, the point is, I think Rory, Amy, and River are within their own timeline as time travelers and NOW they'd kill a Silence when they saw it but prior to actually going back in time and helping everything take place, they would have the subconcious trigger to do so.
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