[insert political icon that refuses to gel on Photoshop here]pandoradeloesteFebruary 13 2006, 17:51:49 UTC
I am so tempted to call home and say those three words together in the same sentence. Then they'd have to either listen to my dad telecommute and my brother and his girlfriend call each other, or me call Aaron to let me into his dorm and various cast members when they don't show up for rehearsal. For the rest of our natural lives.
Re: [insert political icon that refuses to gel on Photoshop here]dlcygnetFebruary 13 2006, 18:25:14 UTC
*grins* They'd read through the first conversatation and realize you were doing it just to piss them off. I'm sure I'm not the only person out there who is expresses political dissent and annoyance over the phone.
...Government wire taps are very, very, very illegal. And unconstitutional. And the government is not supposed to do them. When people complain the govt. is not listening, they generally mean "not taking feedback when it is offered," rather than "not eavesdropping on my phone every time I order a pizza."
-One of those wacko liberals complaining about invasion of privacy ;)
Oh I understand the invasion of privacy bit just fine. I'm just saying it's already happening. It's nothing new. And wire taps ARE legal with a Warrant. The police do it all the time. But there's a time limit on that warrant and how long they can stay tapped in to the phone. As far as I know, the FBI has been monitoring the phones continuously since Hoover. It's their job. They do it well. The lawyers keep them from doing anything with the information they gleen. Like when they got pictures of those known terrorists and were going to arrest them... the lawyers slapped stickers over the pictures and said, No touchee! They have green cards. They've got privacy rights. A couple months later, those same terrorists flew a couple planes into the World Trade Center.
My appologies. Not quite the FBI, another section of the military/police/security forces. I was referring to the unit known as "Able Danger." It's their job to keep tabs on terrorists since people kept trying to drive car bombs into the UN or the Trade Center. They were barred from letting the FBI in on what they found by the miltary lawyers so people could be sent to arrest that terrorist cell. Similar stuff keeps happening with the CIA too. Anything the CIA discovered about US internal had to be thrown out and could not be passed on to the FBI since the CIA has better equipment/more leeway when it comes to spying.
Thanks for protecting my right to say your full of it.foxcollFebruary 14 2006, 15:58:16 UTC
All right, I am going to have to use my constitutional right to say your full of it. I find it very hard to believe that the FBI has been wire tapping all of us since Hoover, and not because they don't want too, or because it illegal (it seems most governing bodies think they exempt the laws) I can't believe they had the technology in Hoovers era, and I find it even harder to believe they have the man power now
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Re: Thanks for protecting my right to say your full of it.dlcygnetFebruary 14 2006, 16:14:39 UTC
They aren't watching all of us. You're right that they don't have the manpower, that's why computers monitor these sorts of things. And think back over the last dozen conversations you've had over the phone. Do you ever say the words White House, President, and Bomb? Let alone all three together
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Re: Thanks for protecting my right to say your full of it.dlcygnetFebruary 14 2006, 16:27:02 UTC
*glances at the news* Ok, some days will be heavier than others. Right now virtually every reporter in DC is talking about a suspicious car near the White House and the evacuation and a potential bomb.
But as I said, they aren't actively spying. Just passively. Whenever they get around to it.
Re: Thanks for protecting my right to say your full of it.dlcygnetFebruary 14 2006, 16:38:16 UTC
Okay. Forget passively. There was some actively stuff too:
"Intercepting communications for purposes of maintaining national security is nothing new. From before Pearl Harbor through 1945, EVERY trans-Atlantic phone call, cable and indeed letter was intercepted in Bermuda by the Coordinator of Information (COI) in the White House and later by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Sir William Stephenson revealed this in his autobiography, A Man Called Intrepid. They literally tapped the undersea cables and shipped all post to Europe through Bermuda, where every single call was monitored, every cable printed out, and every letter opened. FDR and Churchill needed intelligence and they took the steps they needed to get it."
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My appologies. Not quite the FBI, another section of the military/police/security forces. I was referring to the unit known as "Able Danger." It's their job to keep tabs on terrorists since people kept trying to drive car bombs into the UN or the Trade Center. They were barred from letting the FBI in on what they found by the miltary lawyers so people could be sent to arrest that terrorist cell. Similar stuff keeps happening with the CIA too. Anything the CIA discovered about US internal had to be thrown out and could not be passed on to the FBI since the CIA has better equipment/more leeway when it comes to spying.
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But as I said, they aren't actively spying. Just passively. Whenever they get around to it.
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"Intercepting communications for purposes of maintaining national security is nothing new. From before Pearl Harbor through 1945, EVERY trans-Atlantic phone call, cable and indeed letter was intercepted in Bermuda by the Coordinator of Information (COI) in the White House and later by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Sir William Stephenson revealed this in his autobiography, A Man Called Intrepid. They literally tapped the undersea cables and shipped all post to Europe through Bermuda, where every single call was monitored, every cable printed out, and every letter opened. FDR and Churchill needed intelligence and they took the steps they needed to get it."
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