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anonymous August 1 2005, 02:27:01 UTC
You may be able to be happy without God but sooner or later that happiness will run out. You were talking about decisions. What about when you loose a loved one? Did they always make the decision to die? Did you make the decision to let them? Where do you think the inner peace comes from? When you know God the peace and happiness he can give you is unlike any that the world can offer. Worldy materials can make you happy for a while but dont you realize that the more you get wrapped into your life and how much money you can make or what you can buy, you get further away from God.......its because worldy pocessions are not what God is made of or what he is about. When you hold things above him or when everything else becomes so much more important to you, it leaves no room for him in your life, thats stating that youd rather him leave you alone because you feel like you can do it without him. Youre building your foundation on sand. Sooner or later your foundation will begin to slip and everything will come crashing down. What will you depend on then? You wont always be able to depend on yourself. God made you, shouldnt we allow him to be a part of what he created? He wants so much to be a part of your life but if you wont allow him to be you wont recieve the many blessings he may have in store for your life. Yes, it is possible to be happy without God, but do you ever wonder how much happier you would be if you just said yes and let God in? There is a drastic difference from "being in church your whole life" and "having a relationship with the Lord"....the blessings he could give to you are indescribable. What if youre happy now but you never accept the Lord and you die and go to a devils hell? You would be building your things on the world and on nothing eternal. We are just a whisper in the wind, and then, we are gone. This earth is temperary. Build your foundation on the rock: The Lord Jesus Christ.

P.S. I used the word "you" a lot in my entry, I wasnt directly aiming in towards YOU, thats just the wording I used.

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ditchmickens August 1 2005, 12:45:18 UTC
#1: i don't hold tightly to anything. i've lost quite a bit in my time, and i've never had a rough time accepting it. but your point is well seen and understood.

#2: ok so let's move away from the topic of my decisions. so how is it that there are families out there without God involved that are way happier that most of the ones that go to my church? that question kinda got avoided...

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dancer_xo_05 August 2 2005, 01:02:21 UTC
Hey!My name is Amy Wray, I'm friends with Adrianna and Bradley... I went to BY. I listed mine as anonymous because I didnt know if you'd even want my opinion, seeing as you dont really know me. Anyway~ I hope nothing Ive said has offended you, Im just offering my whole hearted opinion.
About families that are out there without God and way happier.... Once again this is just my opinion but God never said it would be easy. And if you think about it, in this society and the world that we live in the people that whole heartedly believe in God and strive to do his will are seen as the "outsiders". Simply stated, they seem to be the ones that are "wierd" because there are many less of them than there are of the ones that are "of the world". People that havent felt such a presence in their life often dont know what they are missing out on and if you dont know then you dont see the point in other people making it out to be such a big deal. Yea I guess people, or families without God can be happy but even if you are looking at a family on the outside,and they seem happy without God how can you say that you just know they are happy and they have never had these doubts when youre not actually them? The Devil is very real to me and he is full of things that can make families happy. The earth is pure Satan in my opinion but the afterlife.... well, It just wont be as happy as he makes it on earth, not if you make the wrong decisions.
P.S. I dont see myself as weak, in my opinion its a weak person that thinks that hes bigger and better than the one thing that created him.
P.S.S. Once again I used the word "you" a lot, I wasnt directing it towards "YOU" persay.
I hope you take my opinions just as what they are, opinions. Im not trying to offend anyone.

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ditchmickens August 4 2005, 18:11:01 UTC
first off, i wouldn't ask for you opinion if i would be offended by it easily, so you have nothing to worry about.

i have a follow-up question. why would God allow a family to be so happy without him? why would he "bless" them and only encourage them not to believe that they need to be guided by him? if they are strong enough to make their own happiness (and when i say "happiness," i'm refering to true happiness. not a joy in possessions or worldly things.), what reason is there to think that they need a higher being?

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anonymous August 4 2005, 23:26:41 UTC
I dont really see it as God "allowing" them to be happy but in my opinion I dont think my God is one that tries to beat people or families down just because they dont believe in him either. I guess I've always believed that he gives people enough room to test their surroundings and their lives, I think he lets us make our own decisions about our life and about our faith. If we are willing to call on him he is willing to help us and guide us every step of the way. And for those that dont believe I think he loves them just the same. I dont think he encourages or discourages, I think its a choice we make and a choice we have to live with. Everyone has the right to believe in what they want to. God granted us the ability to make choices daily but some of the choices we make come with reprecusions (and im not sure how to spell that). Even the smallest choices we make come with them, just as the larger ones do. Once again, I think God is all around, he's everywhere, the people that are willing to look around and open their eyes and their hearts are the ones that see, the ones that shut it away are the ones that do not. I believe that families can be happy without God but its not because God doesnt want them to rely on him, its just the decisions they made....but.... my God is always there in the shadows just waiting on them to call out to him.

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dancer_xo_05 August 4 2005, 23:27:46 UTC
sorry,the above was from me, it came through as anonymous bc I hadnt signed in yet.

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ditchmickens August 6 2005, 01:37:19 UTC
what if they never need him?

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dancer_xo_05 August 6 2005, 02:40:45 UTC
Then I guess they miss out on one of the wonderful experiences of life. Its a beautiful thing really.... I guess thats it, they just miss a great experience. Afterwards however, seeing that Ive been taught this sence I was born, I believe if you havent accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior you die and spend eternity in a Devils hell. Yea I know it sounds harsh, but its how I was raised and what I do truly believe.

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ditchmickens August 7 2005, 19:27:42 UTC
so how is it fair that a good person can go through life doing good deeds all day long, but at the end of a life, they burn? the first obvious argument is that it's a christian's responsibility to reach them. so then, if a christian doesn't take it upon themselves to "spread the word," doesn't that make it a christian's fault that they burn? such a wonderful religion seems to have many failing inconsistancies...

in another scenario, let's take it a step further and say that a christian tries to reach this good person, but the person still turns away from God. as a result, the christian backs off. even though the person has chosen to deny that God exists, the christian has also neglected his responsibility to stay persistant in reaching this person. so in theory, any christian that let's an unsaved person go about their life without God is ignoring their call to duty and should also burn in hell, no?

i'm not trying to pick on christianity here. it just so happened to fit the example. the point is that religion in general has sooo many questions and incosistancies. faith isn't looking too good for those that insist on logic...

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dancer_xo_05 August 9 2005, 16:48:30 UTC
Yes, I do think its one of the responsibilities of Christians to spread the word, God teaches this in the bible. However, "if" a Christian tries (and is persistant) in trying to reach a lost person I do not think they should burn in hell (the bible simply states that they do not anyway...) The bible says that whosever believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life. I think that God puts a small twinge in every persons heart, even if they arent saved that lets them know there is something more out there so therefore I think its their fault if they continuously turn away. However, there are many people in this world that have never even heard of God or the bible and in that sense I dont really see how its fair that they perish. I just know that I believe in the bible 100%, without questioning the reasons behind what it says. God is my heavenly father and the creator of this universe so I think he must be pretty smart, so I dont feel the need to question why things are the way it says in the bible. Faith doesnt look good for people that insist on logic..... I totally agree. Faith is believing in something blindly, not questioning it. So logic has no place in faith.

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dancer_xo_05 August 10 2005, 00:29:47 UTC
These are just a few verses that I found tonight while doing my bible study that jumped out at me. And in my opinion, pertains to a few things we have discussed.

I dont fix my eyes on what is seen, but on what is unseen. What I see is temporary, but what I dont see is eternal.
2 Corinthians 4:18

By faith we understand that the universe was formed at Gods command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
Hebrews 11:3

I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
Jeremiah 29:11

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ditchmickens August 10 2005, 13:54:52 UTC
i understand and respect your full belief in the bible, but hopefully is just as easy for you to understand how anyone else could call those verses "cover-ups" for any christian to use. everything in the bible relies on belief. no fact. and that is any religion's fundamental flaw, while also serving as its greatest (and only) strength.

but back to the actual topic of the comment. if you know of any verses (or know of someone who would), i'm curious to see what the bible has to say about those that remain unreached until they die. i'm still discouraged (until the bible brings another answer) to believe in such a "fair and just god," as i have often heard it put throughout my life. it seems that another inconsistancy has been uncovered...

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dancer_xo_05 August 10 2005, 23:04:34 UTC
I do understand why there are those that find these flaws because like you said none of it is fact, you have to step out on faith. So, yes I do understand.

I do not know a verse right off the top of my head about this latest topic so I will take your advice and ask someone who would and get back to you.

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