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Yeah, I thought the same thing with that Breakneck Bog comment about how he's worried about forgetting her, where I was running under an assumption that Hiccup was maybe 5 years old when his mother disappeared, but the sequel sort of makes his comment confusing because HTTYD2 apparently has it that she disappeared when Hiccup was an infant, so him having ANY memories of Valka is so dubious. It's sort of like how in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi has Leia talk about her real mother to Luke when Revenge of the Sith shows that MAYBE Leia got a glimpse of her mother shortly after being born before Padme croaked. Though, baby Hiccup probably had longer with his mother than Leia (a couple of months?). Though I doubt Hiccup is sensitive to the Force. Sensitive to dragons, maybe.
Gobber probably moved in for a while to help take care of infant Hiccup (making his diapers and such) after Valka disappeared. And continues to take care of Hiccup.
It's certainly very interesting because wow you have thought this out thoroughly. Excellent.
That wouldn't help matters at all, and Dagur probably does totally ship them. Even though, he pretty much wants to kill both of them. Hiccup does exclaim "Yeah, baby!" while riding Toothless quite a bit doesn't he. Hiccup, you're really not helping your case. Probably doesn't help either that Toothless lives in your room, too. Neither does saying "My first girlfriend is a dragon". Oh, Hiccup.
Ooh yes, triad of Valka, Stoick, and Gobber with Valka and Gobber being bros.
My guess would be around 20-years prior to Cast Out as being when Gobber met Stoick? Maybe a little before. Though, it kinda depends on when Stoick met Valka. And 20 years prior to Cast Out, Stoick would have been ~25. 18-20 sounds about right, especially with Hiccup being 15-16. Make it a couple of years of being friends with the Haddocks before little Hiccup is born. And the HTTYD website has Gobber at 55 as of HTTYD2, and would have been 35 when Hiccup was born, and 30 with 20 years prior to Cast Out, so yeah, he would have been relatively young when he lost his limbs. Not as young as Hiccup, but young.
I seriously love that second to the last image you share (the one right before super doofy Toothless, older Hiccup with arms out). Hiccup, you're a giant dork what is your face. Toothless and Hiccup are totally soul mates what with their making giant dorky faces. Toothless with his dorky face is probably why my headcanon of Toothless's inner voice/speaking voice is like part-Dug (and part-giant grump).
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I think Dagur goes beyond shipping and into fantasising about them. Dagur stop being so goddamn rapey holy shit. Like, you know he was trying to cop a feel when he kept putting his arm around Hiccup in The Night and the Fury. And then there was the "Nobody hurts Hiccup... except me." Well, I suppose I should have figured you for a sadist in the bedroom, Dagur.
Also, I think Toothless and Meatlug are the only dragons that live in the houses of their owners. Like, Stormfly and Thornado seem to be in this sheds outside, and Barf'n'Belch and Hookfang are way to big to fit in. Though it's probably hard to keep the Terrors out of anywhere, I have to admit.
(I have this awful feeling I'm going to want Terrors Everywhere to be a bad onrunning joke. Like, Terrors in the privy. Terrors sleeping in the kettle. Terrors in the fire at the smithy. Terrors trying to hatch chicken eggs. There's going to come a point that Terrors are going to appearing in every chapter or something.)
I'm withholding comment in a way until the second film comes out, but I'm still iffy about Hiccup being any younger than three when his mother disappeared. First because of the memories thing, and second because unweaned children really, really didn't tend to survive until very recently in history, and though he could have been weaned as early as a year it's questionable whether he would have had a good chance of survival even then. Though I'm sure there are some around the village who would privately blame that for Hiccup being, well... a hiccup.
Stoick is a great guy, and though I get frustrated with him at times I do understand where he's coming from and I do respect him. He has to balance being a chief in a particularly bad place (dragons, Beserkers, Outcasts, and in this fic wildlings and snooty Arendellens as well) while at the same time trying to manage Hiccup who, let's face it, cannot be the easiest kid to raise. Things like the "Is that another crack about my weight?" in Viking For Hire suggest that Hiccup's sass has been going on for quite a while, and the, "No, I'm not calling my father ridiculous. I'm calling my chief ridiculous." in Live and Let Fly probably mean that he manages to argue his way out of it a fair amount of the time.
I love the fact that Hiccup still pulls his dorky faces in the sequel. And the fact that Astrid has lightened up enough to dork around with him somewhat. (Snotlout's "Astrid has obvious anger issues" in Cast Out Part 1 might have been kinda harsh, but it was also kinda true.) Hiccup wouldn't be Hiccup if he wasn't kind of a dork?
What are your thoughts on HTTYD2 spoilers? Like, there are some rumours going around tumblr that would mean huge, HUGE spoilers if they were true, and I'm freaking out about them a bit. I usually like spoilers, but these aren't necessarily of the nice sort. :(
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I do, though, want to reference the trolls. Like, maybe there's this folklore in Arendelle that people with magic (or, you know, who are thought to have magic) have to be sent out into the wildlands, and if they're good then the trolls will take them in. And, well, that doesn't really happen (Kristoff will probably tie in there somewhere as the weird exception), but people believe that they do. So Elsa expected to be found by trolls, and maybe even her parents thought the trolls would take her in and take care of her, but that never happened. And there are probably some of the wildlings who keep an eye on the area near Arendelle in case anyone else gets cast out, and take them in. Only Elsa's powers are so unpredictable that even they won't stay with her for long, so she gets handed from person to person and eventually just gives up and lives by herself. But she's around people long enough to speak the wildling dialect and know how to survive.
As another side note, you know how Young McGuffin speaks in Brave? And everyone just looks at him like bwuh? The voice actor is speaking Doric dialect, a real Scottish dialect. If I put my ears on and concentrate I can pretty much understand what he's saying. That's how close Arendellen and the wildling dialect are supposed to be. Arendellen to Northur is more like Finnish to German, so practically mutually unintelligible.
The Beserkers and Berk folk seem to speak the same language, so I'm not sure whether they're separate tribes of wildlings or whether Dagur is just using the Berk language. (Or, you know, rule of ease for the actors.) But it's possible that they all use the same language (and, like, the Shivering Shores which gets referenced) but have slight dialects, more like the UK-US difference. So pretty easy to understand each other, but some words have changed and they've probably picked up some local words that the other hasn't. I would laugh a lot if Dagur didn't know what skivvies were.
ALSO also, I was thinking at work today how I could get a sitaution as bad as the movie without just copying the movie, and I was thinking about maybe having Hiccup get shot down while he was riding Toothless. Like, someone (either the twins, messing about, or Astrid figuring that Hiccup actually might have an idea with those smarts of his after all) uses the bola throwing thing again, and they think they're just taking down a dragon but they hit Hiccup, and the shit hits the fan this way.
This would have to be before the visiting-Arendelle-meeting-Anna plot thread, natch, but I'm not sure how to have Hiccup losing his leg. I'm not convinced I want to go ahead and use the Red Death, but on the other hand I can't think of an alternative route to get the huge, huge fight that it needs to sort out the Hiccup & Stoick relationship and to justify Hiccup losing his leg.
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Dagur totally fantasizes omg. And Dagur, no STOP TOUCHING Hiccup. Like, jeez. And even when they first see each other in that episode, it’s because Dagur has PINNED Hiccup down. Like, omg, show, seriously. (In a slightly different context, Astrid straddles Tuffnut when she attacks him for scaring her, Fishlegs, and Hiccup in Breakneck Bog). I half-expect him to make a comment to Hiccup where he basically insinuates Toothcup shenanigans happening. And Hiccup’s like, I beg your pardon, did you just…?
It seems like all the dragons except Toothless have their own pen/stall/stable in the Dragon Academy, that they probably use if they feel the need (or if the plot demands it, like in Cast Out Part 1). I figure the larger dragons like Hookfang (who is shown inside Snotlout’s house in Race to Fireworm Island) and Barf and Belch and maybe Stormfly stay in the Academy.
Ooh, the weaning argument is an excellent point about Hiccup being so young when his mum disappeared. Hopefully, Hiccup had a wet nurse or another recent mom stepped into help out or something.
I love the "No, I'm not calling my father ridiculous. I'm calling my chief ridiculous." comment that Hiccup makes because I found it very awesome that Hiccup was able to separate Stoick’s two roles and say, “No, dad isn’t being ridiculous, but chief is.” I just like that he made that distinction.
Clearly Hiccup’s dorkiness has rubbed off on Astrid by the time of HTTYD2. And, yeah, I agree. Hiccup wouldn’t be the same without that dorkiness.
Ah yes, the HTTYD2 spoilers. My understanding is the following the screening of the film at Cannes (at which it got a standing ovation apparently!!!), some reviewers included some information from the film, that yeah, are massive spoilers. And the Tumblr HTTYD fandom is understandably upset and whatnot. Hell, I was discombobulated/uneasy all day following what I saw. I know at least part of the spoiler.
I’m sort of pragmatic about spoilers, I guess. I recognize that it’s inevitable that I’ll have something from a movie or tv show or book or whatever spoiled for me because of the nature of the Internet. I mean, I knew before heading into Cap2 that HYDRA did some bad shit with SHIELD because I didn’t see it until the next Wednesday after it came out in theaters (plus, I watch Agents of SHIELD and the episode that came out that Tuesday was directly related to Cap2). But, at the same time, I want to be surprised I guess about things? I think overall, with HTTYD2 spoilers, I’ve been fairly cavalier about any spoilers in general because I just want the thing so much that I’ll watch clips and trailers and read Wondercon summaries of the first hour and listening to music released, but like, I suppose as long as I don’t find out the ending per se, I’m okay?
I feel like, it’s one thing to READ about a spoiler of something happening, but it’s another thing entirely to witness said thing happening.
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And ooh, that’s a good way to reference the trolls.
Gosh, that Doric dialect is hard to understand. I think I’ve seen at least one translation of something he said, but the rest, I wish he had subtitles for.
Yeah, that makes sense that Berk and the Beserkers would be speaking different dialects of the same language and it’d basically be like US-UK difference. That explanation totally works for me.
Maybe Hiccup and Toothless being shot down would cause the loss of the tail fin and Hiccup’s leg? Or just, Hiccup and Toothless getting shot down outs them so to speak and then KABOOM, Stoick’s livid and ready to go find the dragon nest. Or even both.
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...Okay, yeah, I gave up and started making a list of the food that gets mentioned. Only into Animal House so far, though. So that's happening.
Hell, yaks. How did that not strike me as weird. I'm going to put that down as another tick in the 'post-apocalyptic' box and leave it at that.
Yeah, when Astrid starts straddling people, it's usually because she's beating them up, and it doesn't manage to look too sexual. However, Dagur manages to make just about everything look sexual. I may see if I can come up with some sort of insinuation for him to make, because there is no way I am not using Dagur at some point in this. And having Dagur get rapey at Hiccup. And possibly have Dagur get rapey at Hans, because I just have that wrong sort of sense of humour and I think Hans getting rapied at would be fucking hysterical especially after he's been seen macking on a 15-nearly-16-year-old. How do you like it, eh, Hans?
Hell, I totally forgot about Hookfang being in the 'Lout house. Apparently there is some door large enough to fit a Monstrous Nightmare through or something. idk.
Yeah, the spoilers are... really eyebrow-raising. Personally I'm glad that I had some warning, because if they're true then it might be something that I need to prepare myself for, but... yeah. I'm pretty pro-spoiler anyway. I knew from the prompts here that Hans turned evil, so I was watching out for signs, for example. And I like reading wiki pages before I watch things. But if this one's true, then I'm really not sure how I feel about it.
Having no choice is a very good idea with regards to Elsa's parents. Actually, I'm starting to get this vague idea that maybe there's a group that has an almost cultish hold over Arendelle, anti-magic, and they're the ones that Hans uses to help get himself manipulated onto the throne. I even sort of want to do this thing about having "three trials" - trial by sea, which involves being tied to a post during low tide, under the theory that if you get saved from drowning somehow then you're innocent, but if you drown then you were guilty; trial by land, which is what Elsa gets; or trial by sky, which would be getting tied to the top of the tallest tower in Arendelle and would probably end with death by either lightning or dragons. Or maybe make it "four trials" and, as you say, have a fire one as well. And usually this cultish group decides which one it's going to be, and even as King, Elsa's father only has enough power to insist on it being the land one.
The next question is how (and how long) Arendelle has been keeping this a secret from the Vikings. Because I cannot imagine that being a very good thing to discover. But that's probably for the second wave, when it starts moving away from the Hiccup side of the story and towards the Elsa side of the story.
As an aside, I'm not sure when Elsa is going to start to go towards her Snow Queen persona either. Certainly the dress won't be for quite a while.
I'm leaning towards 'saving' the losing-the-leg, as it were? Because I want that to be a major thing, like it's the cost of winning and the badge of winning both at the same time. I'm trying to think of a story which is parallel but different enough to be interesting, and I think I'm going to have Hiccup talk his way into working at/cleaning out the dragons, like apprenticing to Gobber on that front as well. So he's actually close to the dragons that way, and uses what he learns from Toothless there, and probably ends up saving someone's ass. Maybe Astrid, if I really want to piss Astrid off. Or maybe Fishlegs, to try to set up more of a friendship there.
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Maybe even Stoick was keeping half an eye on Hiccup's progress, and was considering taking him to see if Hiccup could help them find dragon island. Only Hiccup refuses and runs off, and then he gets shot down, and the shit really hits the fan on all accounts.
Also, I'm now playing around with gronckle iron. So Hiccup might get a gronckle iron leg.
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Hans and Dagur could be very happy together. Or a terrifying force to reckon with. Omg, I want this now. Political marriage between Hans and Dagur that literally is just two super evil dudes causing so much trouble for the rest of the world. Oops.
I guess Snotlout figures out a way to get Hookfang into the house when he’s sick because Race to Fireworm Island and Dragon Flower (both where he is ill) either show or mention Hookfang being in the house. Aww, Snotlout you do care!
The content of the spoiler itself (at least what I know of it) is pretty upsetting, though it’s not like I don’t expect something in that sort of realm to happen to characters of this franchise. Yeah, I think having a little bit of pre-warning might help out when I’m seeing the actual movie in theaters because I remember my reaction to what happened to Coulson in The Avengers (which can be summed up as “Everything has gone horribly wrong. I want to leave.” I mean, I stayed, but I was pretty upset.)
Yeah, but wouldn’t the King, who has the most power of the land be able to say, “Nope. This isn’t happening.”?
Maybe as long as the War on Dragons has been going on (300 years, which I gather is how long since Berk was first settled)?
I just sort of imagine that if it’s after Toothless has met Hiccup and Elsa, Toothless just persistently firing at her ice powers to get her to stop.
Yeah, saving the losing the leg thing for later makes sense, because of the reasons you explain, and it’s such an important thing to happen in the original film. And, ooh, maybe he could save both their asses, piss off Astrid a bit and make a friendship with Fishlegs. I do love the Power Trio thing that Hiccup, Astrid, and Fishlegs have that shows itself in the tv series. I adore that moment in The Eel Effect when Fishlegs shows great concern over him and Meatlug going against the Typhoomerang and if it seems fair to Hiccup and as Hiccup throws himself off Meatlug onto Toothless he’s like, “Nope! The Typhoomerang doesn’t stand a chance!” The faith and trust he has in Fishlegs in that episode made me really happy.
I like all of that. The apprenticing with cleaning out dragons and the way Toothless is found. And ooh, Hiccup getting rescued by Astrid and Elsa? I like it. It reminds me of a remark in the tv show Kim Possible where a girl Ron is into suggests they go help some other people from the sitch they were in and he says, “Are all girls like this, or just the ones I know?” Though, I’m sure Elsa won’t hit Hiccup like Astrid does.
I do love Gronckle Iron. It’s so awesome. I’m just in love with that shield of his he makes with that iron, too. Like, he takes Gobber’s advice about shields to heart. He chooses the shield. And not only that, he uses material made by a dragon, and he has a beautiful image of his protector/partner/best friend on it too. So, even when Toothless is unable to protect him, the shield with Toothless’s image can. I sort of wish it could show up in the sequel even though that’s unlikely. I just love it so much. But, Gronckle Iron leg would be just as awesome. Gronckle Iron is so cool. Until Meatlug ends up magnetic and starts running through the village and kidnaps Hiccup again. I did love Fishlegs having to ride Toothless. Like, Toothless’s reaction is like, “Oh crap, Meatlug took Hiccup! Well, hey, Fishlegs is here. GET ON MY BACK, FISHLEGS, WE GOTTA GO GET ‘EM!”
Also, I had been thinking about that 20 years thing (where Hiccup would be an infant when Valka disappeared) and I had a thought. Perhaps it’s not that precise and it’s more of a rounding-up? Perhaps it’s not 20 years exactly and rather, a number that’s more than 15 but less than 20. I mean, it’s probably easier to say that it’s been twenty years rather than it’s been eighteen years or she disappeared 17 years, 9 months, and 12 days ago.
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With the power of the King, I... think it depends on how much power he has versus how much power the cult has? I mean, Stoick is the chief of the tribe, but he still almost gets steamrollered into sending the dragons away on multiple occasions just by ordinary people. If the cult group basically control who is on the throne, then the King could well be looking at his own death if he doesn't do what they want, and probably his wife's and maybe even Anna's, and then they'll just kill Elsa anyway. If the King is basically a figurehead for the cult, and there is no parliament-equivalent, then... well, to be honest, you're fucked. But that would still make for an interesting arc.
If you consider the twins to be sharing the same role, then you essentially have a Five Man Band thing going with the group, which is pretty cool. It is going to make Elsa their wildcard, though, although with the way that the trollwart seems to be writing itself... well, there's something there, as well. I figure that the trollwart works really well at first and gets less effective as the rope/fabric/whatever gets older, maybe, or just that Elsa is so powerful it can't hold back her magic for particularly long. So that's going to be something to work with more. But even at the beginning, she isn't as uncontrolled as she is in Frozen - it's a bit erratic for the first chapter or so because she's injured and scared, but the trollwart helps at first and even after that, she's going to be way more in control. A bit more equivalent to when she's fighting Weselton's bodyguards in terms of control but also still feeling like she's dangerous and should be isolated. Hiccup just has "trust me" written on him in magic or something.
Yeah, Elsa is more likely to save any acts of vengeance for Snotlout. Because Snotlout.
Awwww, I had so not connected it with the image of Toothless being there to protect him when Toothless isn't, Hiccup you're such a sweetie. I was wondering why Dagur didn't think it weird to have a shield with a dragon on it, but I suppose they have the skrill on everything.
Gronckle iron is so shiiiiiny. I'm guessing it's some sort of souped-up steel, and I'm playfully considering making it Damascus steel because I'm nerding again. But I think it's actually shinier than Damascus - it's both harder and stronger than anything that we currently know of to be able to cut through Snotlout's (iron? Steel?) sword in the way that it did.
Between the flying suit, the cans of Zippleback gas, and the transforming shield, Hiccup is some sort of cross between Batman and Captain America.
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I love that cute little “you’re welcome” is “thank you” misunderstanding. It’s super adorable.
And yaaay they discovered Gronckle lava!! And I love the way Gobber talks about it, “But it’s certainly a looker of a metal.” I just love that he says that the metal is pretty.
And Long Live The Thing, indeed. XD
Yes, Dagur and Hans is the nightmare team. Yes. So much.
Yeah, I can see what you’re saying. I mean, one guy vs. a bunch of other people even if that one guy is the ruler of the land, yeah, he’s probably not going to be all that effective, like you note.
Elsa is their Sixth Ranger, ooh. I like that. Fishlegs is the Smart Guy (if Hiccup wasn’t the freaking Leader, he’d also be the Smart Guy), Astrid is the Lancer (or the Big Guy?), Snotlout if the Big Guy. And the twins are The Chick.
And ooh, yeah, I like that, trollwart rope becoming less effective as the rope gets older. And maybe it can be something that she uses on her own when she just doesn’t feel like dealing with her magic that day. Like a necklace or a bracelet. And then wham, instant no magic. Or could even protect her against anti-wildling folks. She has it on and she can be like, look I can’t do magic. I’m not wildling.
It also helps that Hiccup is just a lovely person, too.
Kick his ass, Elsa!
And there’s no explanation from Hiccup either, it’s just so implicit. I love it. At most, when he’s talking to Gobber in Live and Let Fly as he’s working on the shield and he’s complaining about Stoick’s ban on flying, he says, “The safest place for me is on Toothless.” And putting Toothless on the shield is probably part of that. Plus, the shield also saves Toothless when Hiccup goes against Dagur in The Night and the Fury. Plus, why not have your greatest protector emblazoned on your shield while you’re knocking enemies on their ass with it? Heh.
Plus, Toothless is the dragon on the sign of the Academy. That was probably Hiccup’s idea.
On a side note, I have the first half of Defenders of Berk on DVD and the subtitles for one of Toothless’s growls is subtitled as “(Petulant Growl)” which would be a great band name and a great name for a dragon and is the greatest thing ever.
I think it’s because if you look at a lot of Berk’s (and presumably all of the Berserker stuff) decoration and such, there is a fuckton of dragon imagery EVERYWHERE. Wooden heads on the houses, on their sails, probably all over the Great Hall. The Berk Crest even has a dragon on it. For a culture that fucking hated dragons for three centuries, I find it very interesting that they have a lot of dragon imagery on their stuff. Plus, it looks like they decorate the shields in general because hey why not have pretty looking shields?
Probably the strongest steel ever. Good job, Meatlug.
Steve Rogers is one of my favorite male characters ever, so Hiccup being similar to Steve makes me very much happy. And yeah, I can dig the Batman part as well. But especially Cap. Plus, his mechanic-y/tinkering sort of thing also fits with Tony Stark/Iron Man. Plus, he believes in Thor, so add Thor a bit.
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Elsa is totes the sixth ranger. And if she eventually ends up on a Flightmare, that's probably one of relatively few things that could stand up to a Night Fury, if the freezing effect works on Toothless as well. I'm guessing that the Flightmare only glows under the effects of the aurora, though, so at least it probably isn't as wtf-worthy the rest of the time. (And I imagine Fishlegs is like, "What, are we having a competition now to see who can end up with the most dangerous dragon? Really?!")
Yeah, even Hiccup says that she looks a lot less like a wildling pretty quickly. Like, I'm guessing that it's mostly in the appearance and the language, because obviously the wildlings are folks from Arendelle and don't have distinctive coloration or anything. Though by now there will be people literally being born as wildlings as well. But it's mostly a case of wearing different clothes, speaking a different language, and being caught breaking into the village which is a pretty big clue.
And you're absolutely right, there are dragons freaking everywhere in Berk iconography, even more so than there were with actual Vikings. I suppose it used to be a case of 'look what we defeated' but once they have them, it turns into more of a 'look what we have' which is pretty awesome.
Alvin And The Outcasts is also starting to sound like a bandname to me. And I'm pretty sure that Hiccup does his first "Yeah baby" at the end of that episode. I at least heard "Baby" as they're flying off towards the end, and laughter.
The Gobber/Stoick conversation at the beginning of How To Pick Your Dragon cracks me up, where Stoick is listening to Gobber and not to Hiccup over the dragon thing. And Gobber's going, "Oooh, it gives me goosebumps". Gobber, do you sort of like that idea? *raises eyebrows*
Edit: ALSO, maybe I'm just a perve, but "That's what it looks like to be ridden all day by a four hundred pound man" just made me snort water out of my nose. Oh my god.
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I thought the reason the Flightmare glowed was because of the glowing algae? Though, I think the algae glowed because of the aurora? It’s some kind of bioluminescence, I would guess? And like, the glowing algae worked on the other dragons too. Though the other dragons were super duper temporary and with the Flightmare, gosh, who knows. It’d certainly look interesting. (And poor Fishlegs, everyone wants to be super duper dangerous and he doesn’t.)
Hmm, would her freezing powers work on dragons or would their firepower sort of negate that. And would the Flightmare be able to temporarily paralyze other dragons. I mean, I would guess so.
Ooh, yes, dragon iconography becomes less a show of conquest of dragons and more a show of celebration of dragons. Which is very awesome and very lovely. Plus, I can’t help but marvel at how gorgeous and prosperous Berk looks in HTTYD2 (and even the characters), especially in the five minute clip because like, they’re no longer in a constant state of warfare, everything is good.
To be fair, Alvin and the Outcasts is a sort of reference to Alvin and the Chipmunks (the HTTYD wikia pointed that one out), which actually is a band, lol. I mean, it’s a fictional band, but a band nonetheless. And yeah, after checking the episode again Hiccup can be heard shouting out “BABY!” as well as the laughter as they fly off in celebration following the victory. Hiccup, who are you calling baby anyways? I mean, “Yeah, baby!” makes sense (and I’m pretty sure he exclaims that while riding Toothless in the movie) but just “Baby!” Yes, Hiccup you are a baby. You are a precious baby. And so is Toothless.
And gosh, I love the ending of that episode. They fly off in victory and their return, omg, their return, they’re greeted with much rejoicing and triumphant music is playing and Hiccup telling Toothless “You’re back home” while patting him. And then Hiccup walking side by side with Toothless as they are cheered back home, and all the dragons and their riders following. It’s just really great.
Gobber getting goosebumps over Stoick on a dragon, omg. That’s totally great.
Oh snap, omg. Riding and mount and omg, the vocabulary is so suggestive.
And when Hiccup says “What’s the first thing you wanna do in the morning” or whatever the wording is in A View To A Skrill and apparently Snotlout hadn’t originally meant eat, and omg, Snotlout, now is not the time to talk about either of those bodily actions.
And speaking of bodily actions, Hiccup you have almost no privacy to speak of, your dragon sleeps in your room with you.
This is a song that’s going to be in HTTYD2 (it’s the one that plays in the five minute clip) and it’s glorious. It’s such a lovely song and it sort of samples Test Drive
Ruffnut meets Eret in this clip and omg it is amazing. And Toothless is a giant cat with wings. And Hiccup is the sassiest jerk ever and I’m pretty sure my favorite bit is when Hiccup is taken off the ship by what is probably Snotlout.
And this clip is hilarious it makes me think of The Lion King in dual ways, one because Valka’s all like YOU FOLLOW OLD RAFIKI HE KNOWS THE WAY and then because when Hiccup needs a boost, Toothless does it and the look on Toothless’s face is just “Why do I always gotta save your ass.” But also “I got ya, dude.” And he doesn’t even wait for a “Bud, help me up.” He just does it on his own. Gosh, they’re so tight as friends.
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I got the impression that the Flightmare ate the algae all the time, but because the algae only glowed under the aurora, so did the Flightmare. (Not sure how it can be exactly every ten years that the aurora is visible in Berk, but I digress.) Toothless is such a dork in that episode, like, ooh the river is shiny let's try eating some of that. In my head it's s sort of pretty pearly blue-grey when it's not glowing because why not. The Speed Stingers work on dragons and humans alike, and there seems to be a sort of similarity between them, maybe? Like, perhaps it's a similar thing, just more concentrated in the Speed Stingers. But I think it would make the Flightmare rather overpowered. Besides the fact that just flying up to a ship full of Beserkers and freezing the bastards being a very good option unless they can use flamethrowers to burn it off before it reaches them.
Oh god, the Flightmare and Thornado having to share whatever shed that is that Thornado usually has. Stoick, Gobber, three teenagers, three dragons, and however many Terrors Anna collects. "ONE MORE GAME OF DRAGON TAG AND YOU LOT ARE MOVING TO THE GREAT HALL."
Hiccup shouting "Yeah baby" just will not stop cracking me up. Like, Alvin and the Outcasts, Thawfest, and I swear there's another episode he does it in as well. And now in the sequel. Hiccup... you're not helping Dagur and his little shipping problem here. And neither is the fact that Toothless sleeps in your room. Dagur is just like the tinhat RPF shippers or something, omg.
Yeah, I think the only good thing about Snotlout's delivery of the line in View to a Skrill is that he isn't looking at Astrid when he says it. Thaaaat would have earned him a punch, I think.
Hiccup had me cackling in that first clip, I have to admit. He's all, I might be your prisoner but we both know I'm kinda the one in charge here. You get the feeling he really isn't worried about this and if he'd needed to buy more time, he probably just would have produced weapon after weapon and nerded about it a bit, like Aragorn at the Golden Hall only with extra dorkery.
Toothless chasing the spark is adorable. I also love Stormfly repeatedly chasing the flaming sword that Hiccup has developed. (I was scrolling through your blog as I wrote that, and then I found the gifs and the Eret: "What game are you playing?" Comment: "Fetch, maybe?")
Oh maaaan, that reminds me. There's this prompt on the HTTYD Kink Meme on Dreamwidth which is, like, superhero!rider!Hiccup and I wantitiwantitiwantit. Like, I don't know if I want to read it or to write it, but I wants it my precious.
Ruff, you're perving. And I'm sitting here admiring the animation to put sweat on Eret's biceps. *shakes head*
kadhgksdhg that is totally a you follow Rafiki moment. Valka, calm down. Though you can totally see that Hiccup takes after his Mom, bless him. And itty bitty baby Gronckles! Maybe dragons can actually breed all year round somewhere sufficiently warm, but tend to breed on that one island at around Snoggletog out of pretty much habit?
Now I can picture Toothless chasing snowflakes around instead of sparks. And Hiccup just walking in on this game like what the hell, guys? Because while they're still doing the forbidden friendship bit and Toothless is at the cove -- Hiccup will probably suggest that Elsa move to the cove to keep an eye, rather than wandering as she would be once she heals up -- then Hiccup is coming and going but Elsa is there all the time. And I totally want a moment for pure cute where Hiccup can't find Elsa in the morning, and she's sleeping under Toothless's wing. Also because I want to set that up as an echo in the end scene where Toothless saves Hiccup after the Red Death.
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Maybe it’s a certain kind of aurora? But, I don’t know a lot about aurora but I’d assume they probably don’t work like that where they show up every ten years. They show up whenever they want, basically. Toothless is a dork in that episode, yes, but also totally badass doing the divert the flow of water thing. Meanwhile Astrid is being super reckless and Hiccup basically is torn between being like “I got your flower baby” and “Astrid no” and also being super helpful and just a precious prince.
The freezing thing is probably a more concentrated thing with the Speed Stingers, yeah. Both are temporary but Flightmare is mere minutes and Speed Stingers are many hours or up to a day. And it probably depends on the person because Snotlout takes like forever before he’s unfrozen. At least Gustav got to help. Gustlout!
"ONE MORE GAME OF DRAGON TAG AND YOU LOT ARE MOVING TO THE GREAT HALL." is hilarious, omg. Oh, poor Stoick, so many games of dragon tag. And yes, let Anna tear up the Great Hall with her slew of dragons, omg.
It’s sort of like Hiccup is just asking people (including Dagur) to ship him and Toothless. It probably amuses Hiccup too, that jerk. He probably laughs and snarks about it and is like, hey, Toothless did you know that people think we should be a romantic couple? And he laughs. And Toothless probably does the creepy demonic laugh thing. And then they face nuzzle or something. Because why not laugh about it while also not helping their case.
I can’t help but see them similar to JD and Turk from Scrubs, who are best friends and they both marry ladies but they sort of skirt this line of like romantic friendship. Probably why the term bromance was created. But, JD and Turk even have a lovely song about their friendship called Guy Love. And that’s sort of Hiccup and Toothless I guess. And there’s a shot of Hiccup and Toothless forehead touching in HTTYD2 apparently (it’s appeared in tv promos, too) here’s a gifset with it. And like, forehead touching is one of my weaknesses. Like, it’s just something beautiful about it.
And I still love that moment when Toothless finally touches his hand and Hiccup’s head just dips in sort of surprise and it’s sort of like the tremendous amount of meaning and importance and the fact that his life is changed forever in that moment just hits him with that headdip and waaaaah.
I pretty much Brotp them hard; practically a platonic OTP for me.
Yeah, good thing he didn’t look at Astrid when he said that, because yes, she would have punched him.
Hiccup totally would nerd about his weapons omg. And yeah, he totally isn’t worried and Astrid’s like, “What is this plan…?” and he gives this hand movement to Astrid’s that’s like, “No worries, babe, I got this.”
And Toothless chasing the spark is adorable and it sort of looks like he’s avoiding it rather than playing with it, but why would he avoiding, he’s probably fireproof.
Oh, gosh, I love that Fetch maybe comment, omg. Like, I love that Stormfly is just returning Hiccup’s sword and like, Eret keeps throwing it. Stormfly, you lovely dragon.
And there’s this great comment about Hiccup trying to climb the rock and the comments are great especially, “Heart of a chief. Soul of a dragon. Booty of a God. Gracefulness of a drunken platypus.”
I do love that Toothless watches and waits until Hiccup starts to actually walk before he starts to move as well.
I really wish the HTTYD Kink Meme was a mite more active. There was also one on LJ, and it has fic but was mostly only active in 2010. Sighs.
Ooh, that’s a good theory: dragons being able to breed all year round depending on the weather conditions. And Berk dragons because of the crappy cold weather just sort of do a bird thing and fly south for the winter (that island).
He totally would chase snowflakes. And oh wow, that would be super cute if Elsa is sleeping under Toothless’s wing.
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Stoick, Gobber, Hiccup, Elsa, Anna, Toothless, Thornado, Flightmare, Terrors. That is a household and a half. And I don't even want to think about how much fish they must get through. And Gobber's grumping around talking about the arena and Hiccup is going LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT, and Anna is Anna and probably wants to make snow angels in her underwear or go riding in the middle of the night, and Elsa doesn't necessarily work to the same rules as everyone else and if she can't sleep probably goes to curl up under Toothless's wings again. And then Stoick is left wondering how the hell he can tell the lost princess of Arendelle to get out of his son's room this is totally inappropriate. Plus Astrid probably just wanders in like she owns the place, like in The Heather Report. Poor Stoick. It's one thing to handle being a chief, but quite another to keep track of that houseful.
You know in Race to Fireworm Island when Tuffnut talks about playing the 'I heard' game? I kind of want to have them playing that at one point, while Hiccup is apprenticing in the Arena. And it ends with someone going, "Well, I heard that Hiccup has a wildling girlfriend that he sneaks out to see at night" and Hiccup just almost headbutts the Gronckle or something because he tends to climb out his window to go and visit Toothless and, by extension, Elsa. But it's just Tuff making shit up. But I'm trying to think of other weird shit for "I heard". Like "I heard that Gobber still has eight toes" or "I heard that if you eat fireworm dung you can shoot smoke out your ears" or just the random shit that teenagers come out with. And I'll probably have something making fun of the Jorgensens because they're the Jorgensens.
Hiccup and Toothless are just... aw, man. It's like platonic soulmates, almost. Like, Hiccup is sweet to all dragons, you can see that with Torch and with how he treats Hookfang-before-he-gets-called-Hookfang in the movie, but with Toothless there's just so much more there.
And I can totally see those two sassy assholes just acting gay in front of everyone else to mess with their heads. Like a pair of trolls. And Hiccup just greets Toothless with "Hey, baby" instead of bud, and Toothless plunks down and wraps a forelimb around Hiccup, and Snotlout just pulls this disturbed face and Astrid is facepalming. Though Hiccup probably draws the line at eating the regurgitated fish again. (Actually, Elsa might have been hungry enough for long enough out in the wildlands that she would eat it, though she'd probably want to cook it first. And Hiccup's like, "But dragon germs!" and Elsa's just, "But legend says that Night Fury saliva has healing properties" and for a moment Hiccup isn't even sure whether she's messing with him or not.)
I actually do like the way that Hiccup's movements are animated, though. Because of the prosthetic, he doesn't have a left ankle joint so he's always sort of aware of that leg. And Valka is using the staff to help her about, whereas Hiccup hasn't come up with a gadget for that yet. Damn it, Hiccup, get working on retractable grappling hooks already, pfft.
Dreamworks stuff always has these levels of sass and screwball comedy that I struggle to replicate. Like, I'm trying to do ROTG stuff from Elsa's POV, and it is a nightmare to keep track of Elsa, all five Guardians, plus Tooth's girls and the usual stray Elves. Likewise *points upwards* that household. Stoick, I actually feel your pain right about now.
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I’m in South Texas (~150 miles away from Mexico), so I’ve never seen an aurora either, but I definitely would love to see one. It’s probably super breathtaking. And yeah, with Elsa around, let’s just call it magic because yay magic!
Omg, the Stoick trying to figure how to tell Elsa not to sleep in Hiccup’s room because it’s inappropriate, I love it. Sorry Stoick. I can’t help but wonder if he told something to Hiccup and Astrid off-screen in How To Start A Dragon Academy because I’m fairly certain (but not completely) that the scene where he’s sort of “oh everything hurts” and then she shows up in his room and then Stoick shows up, is like the only time she and him are in his room together. Maybe he was like, “Son, it’s not appropriate for Astrid to be in your room.” Haha, Stoick, jokes on you, they have dragons they can fly off to places where you can’t control their behaviors.
And haha, the way she just slams open the door in Heather Report and then KICKS Hiccup awake is hilarious and awesome and poor Hiccup. And again, the lazy guard dragon just sort of does nothing. Astrid would totally just walk in like she owns the place too, poor Stoick. Like, you think you’re the head of household, Chief? More like, all those teenagers and the Night Fury.
Ooh, that would be a fun scene to have in. A bunch of teenagers playing the “I heard” game. And I’m sure when they aren’t doing important drills and such and just sort of hanging out, they probably actually do that in canon. I just love the idea of them just relaxing and acting like teenagers because we don’t see that too much in canon because of the nature of the franchise (always in battles, and such). That’s basically why I love fanworks because in fanworks I can see or show characters in ways that the viewer normally doesn’t get to see for whatever reason.
They are totally soul mates, without a doubt. You know that Aristotle quote, that’s basically, “Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies.”? Hiccup and Toothless are basically the definition of that quote. Like, you could look it up in a dictionary and see the two of them doing a duckface selfie next to the quote (that would actually be quite a sight, omg). And yeah, Hiccup is super great to all dragons and probably loves them all, but like, with Hiccup and Toothless, it’s totally love but love doesn’t feel even near enough profound enough to describe it. Like, I would love to hear Hiccup say “I love you” to Toothless, but like, I sort of feel that don’t need to hear it because it’s so incredibly obvious.
Basically, if Hiccup and Toothless were Jaeger pilots in Pacific Rim (or within that ‘verse), they’d be drift compatible, and it’d be beautiful and lovely.
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