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So this is sort of an overall off-topic post for all other random things that don't quite fit the purpose of the request post.
You know, questions you'd like answered, random other bits of fluff, discussions about how thus-and-such pairing rocks way hardcore ...
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You know, questions you'd like answered, random other bits of fluff, discussions about how thus-and-such pairing rocks way hardcore ...
So ... *claps* Get to it! Post to your Disney-loving heart's content! ♥
Oh gosh, I love that line about how he doesn't just think about training dragons and she's like, yeah right are you for real? Astrid, he certainly thinks about you, I'm sure. And that scene just sort of makes me think of this one scene in Gravity Falls where Dipper is like "It's not like I stay up thinking about her [Wendy]" cue cut to him lying in bed and he's like "Uh oh."
I love Stoick calling her his future daughter-in-law. Because of that line I'm just sort of assuming/headcanoning that Hiccup and Astrid are engaged by the time we see them again. Like, they (probably more like Hiccup) are putting off marriage for a few more years or something. They just seem the type to have a long ass engagement.
Haha, that's going to be one crazy household. Stoick and Gobber, Hiccup, Elsa, Anna, Toothless, and 100 Terrible Terrors. Three teenagers, a shit ton of dragons, and Stoick and Gobber.
I'm sure Stoick's one dragon policy/limit pretty much fell the moment he and Thornado bonded. Because, Stoick just fell in love hard with Thornado. Gosh, especially that line in Dragon Flower, "I spent my whole life trying to kill them. Now look at me." You beautiful man, Stoick. And gosh, his face when Hiccup tells him he did the right thing in setting him free to take care of the little Thunderdrums in Bing! Bam! Boom!, he looks so sad and turns back to wave goodbye and I just love Stoick so much. It should be interesting to see how he interacts with Skullcrusher in the sequel.
Stoick probably is just like, well, at least they're smaller than Toothless.
Ooh, that's even more excellent. Making that aurora be the one in Fright of Passage, Arven-whatever-it's-spelled.
That is super awesome. And speaking of canonically gay characters, apparently we have a canonically gay character in HTTYD2. Oh hell, I'll just say it: it's Gobber. Which is super awesome. Hiccup actually has a gay dad!
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“So, how was the chiefing today?” he asked his father, ripping into another loaf of bread. Stoick looked surprised, and slightly flattered, to see Hiccup taking such an interest.
“Well, pretty busy,” said Stoick. “I had to look over to see what that wildling had stolen, then lead the search party to see if we could find any tracks.”
Luckily, he didn’t seem to see Hiccup jab himself in the cheek with a spoon at that point.
“Then it was up to the Arena to check out the new Gronckle that we’ve got to replace the last one, and down to the docks to see in the latest fishing boats. Seems like everything happens in the same day sometimes.”
“Oh, I hear you there,” said Hiccup.
“So...” Stoick looked a little bit uncomfortable as he realised he would actually need to continue the conversation. “How was your day, son?”
Hiccup probably should have seen that coming. He ate another spoonful of stew to buy himself time, swallowed, an answered. “Checked out a new sinkhole up in the foothills. It’s a dead end, we won’t need to worry about it.”
“Huh.” There was actually a note of being impressed in his voice, which Hiccup had far from expected. “Well, that’s good to know. Probably best to let Spitelout know anyway, so he and the men can keep an eye on it.”
“Will do, Dad,” said Hiccup. He might have to find an actual sinkhole to tell them about now, he figured. Although he could always claim that he couldn’t find it again. They’d probably believe him. “Hey, Gobber, did you want me at the forge tomorrow?”
“Eh, only in the afternoon,” said Gobber. “I’ve got to muck out the Monstrous Nightmare. That one’s a right bugger when he’s testy.”
“And with that charming mental image...” Maybe the thought of eyeballs in the stew wasn’t so bad after all. But at least it meant that he would be free tomorrow morning. “Say, is it all right if I do some work at the forge tonight? I want to work on my drawing out. We always need more nails, right?”
“Ah, help yourself,” said Gobber, waving his left arm vaguely. He had attached a knife to it for the evening meal, and there was a piece of bread impaled on the end. “You know how to work the bellows. Just keep to the medium quality, leave the good stuff.”
“Will do.” Well, he’d leave the good stuff, anyway. Gobber didn’t keep such tight track of the lowest quality scrap, which was actually what Hiccup was after. He was already trying to design in his head some way of encasing Elsa’s ankle so that she would still be able to move around, but which he could put together without needing to go and ask Gothi any questions. There were only a handful of people who could actually understand her, after all.
There was a sliding scale of what Hiccup was and was not allowed to get himself involved with. Wildlings were right out, considering how often Hiccup had managed to run into them, and when the dragons were about he was only allowed in the smithy with Gobber. But when wildlings and dragons were a part of everyday life, the smithy was relatively low on the danger scale, and he was allowed to work in there in the evening.
He drew out a dozen or so nails before actually turning his attention to the lower-quality metal. Normally, Gothi would use a mixture of eggs and flour to make a paste for the bandages, and just use stout wood for the splints. But Hiccup wasn’t exactly sure how that translated to the ankle, and it had definitely been around the joint that Elsa had seemed to be in most pain.
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Mercifully, but Stoick and Gobber had obviously given up for the evening and gone to bed by the time that he got home. He occasionally bought things back from the smithy, but sometimes Gobber was actually interested in them, and Hiccup was honestly too tired by now to think of a good lie as to what he had bundled up under his arm.
The next morning, he bolted his breakfast fast enough for Stoick to look at him curiously, and made an escape while the sun was still coming up. This time, he had made sure to grab a pair of gloves to protect his hands, and a bag in which to carry everything. There were storm clouds already rolling in overhead as he made his way to the firethorn bush, slipped underneath, and climbed down into the tunnel once again.
“Elsa?” He called, as soon as he felt far enough away from the entrance that people would not notice a talking firethorn bush. “Elsa?”
He steadfastly refused to add are you still down here or anything of that sort. It felt quite ridiculous enough calling out to someone with whom you did not share a language and who, technically, you were supposed to either kill or capture, and take to the chief anyway. Hiccup was really, really trying not to think about that part.
It wasn’t as light in the sinkhole as it had been yesterday, and there was no response as he made his way in. Hiccup paused at the entrance to the tunnel, frowning, until he caught sight of a patch of white down by the edge of the pool.
“Elsa!” He broke into a run, trying not to drop the bundle under his arm, to where Elsa lay at the edge of the water. A path of ice ran from her tent to her current form; her head was on one arm, face-down, not moving.
Skidding to his knees, Hiccup grabbed Elsa’s shoulder. Ice spread up his hand and over his wrist as quick as a blink, stabbing cold into his skin, and he gave a sharp gasp. With a cry of her own, Elsa snapped away, rolling over onto her back and sitting up. Tiny flakes of snow formed in the air between them.
“It’s okay,” said Hiccup. He rubbed his hands together; the ice was already melting away and flaking off. “It’s fine. Look!” He held up his hands, wiggling his fingers. They were red, but unharmed. “I live on Berk, I can handle a bit of cold. But what... what are you doing down here?”
Though the panic was leaving her eyes, Elsa was still looking at him in faint bewilderment. He’d probably gone and thrown too many words about again. He pointed to her, then to the ground where she sat. “Why are you over here? You should be in your tent!” he pointed to the lean-to.
Elsa’s eyes followed his movements, then she pointed to the water beside her and mimed drinking from her hands.
“I forgot to get you any water,” surmised Hiccup. “Sorry about that. I’m not too good at this caretaker thing, am I? Well, hopefully today will go slightly better, starting with this.”
He produced a small loaf from the bag that he carried, and her eyes went wide. It was getting a bit stale, but somehow Hiccup got the feeling that Elsa didn’t care as he pressed it into her hands. She looked at it incredulously, then back at him, and said something.
“I didn’t get that,” said Hiccup.
Elsa gestured to the loaf, moving her hand in a circle to encompass the whole thing.
“Ah, oh, yeah, sure.” He nodded. “It’s for you, help yourself.”
The nod was probably enough. Elsa ripped off the end of the loaf and started eating, not even bothering to wipe the mud off her hands. Hiccup had overheard his father saying to Gobber that they had caught the wildling by the stores, but that not much had been taken. He’d guessed that she was just hungry.
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Elsa followed his finger, frowning, and tried to pull away the first time he went to help her to her feet. When Hiccup sighed, though, she let him put one arm under her shoulders again, and limped the few yards over to the boulder. Her breathing was heavy with pain, but she did not cry out even as she half-collapsed onto it, still clutching the loaf of bread.
Hiccup backed away a step, then crouched down at her feet with the cast in hand. The bruises on her foot were really coming out now, and the swelling was worse. It had probably been the net that made her fall, and he felt another pang of guilt. Nothing that he could do now but try to help her, though.
He lined up the cast with her foot, but Elsa tried to edge it away, despite the obvious pain in her expression.
“Please?” Hiccup looked up at her. “It’ll help.”
“Help,” repeated Elsa carefully.
Hiccup nodded, then gave a hopeful smile. They were really going to have to figure out this language barrier. Finally, Elsa nodded as well, and he set about fitting the brace to her ankle.
Once or twice, he heard Elsa grunt with pain, and he found himself saying, “Sorry” every time her foot so much as twitched, but she let him slip the metal frame around her ankle, the other slim struts sitting on either side of her leg, and strap it into place with the leather. It looked a little bit like the casts that Gothi made, and a little bit more like the frames that people used when they lost an arm or leg. He had figured it was going to have to do a job somewhere between the two until her foot healed.
By the time that he looked up, Elsa was finishing off the last of the loaf of bread, and risking a hopeful glance towards him. Smiling, Hiccup produced a second loaf from the bag, along with some dried fish that hopefully wasn’t too hard and a lump of cheese that he’d trimmed the mould off. Stoick and Gobber would probably both presume that the other one had eaten it.
“Ei tiikos,” she said, and he was pretty sure he recognised the words from when she had thanked him before, “Hiccup.”
“It’s no problem.” Sort of the least he could do, when he was responsible for the broken foot. “Hey, can I ask you something?” And he had been doing so well on not asking stupid questions, as well. Hiccup used the point of his knife to sketch an outline of the island on the ground between them, with the mountains separating the smaller area of Berk from the larger lands of Arendelle. “Are you from here?”
He pointed to the centre of the map, and Elsa frowned at him. “Berk,” said Hiccup, indicating the northern end, then gesturing to himself. “I come from Berk.” He indicated the southern end. “Arendelle. Wildlands.” He used the hilt of the knife to point to Elsa. “You come from the Wildlands?”
Elsa looked over the map again, then used her good foot to point first to Arendelle, then to the centre of the island. “Arendelle. Maruloet. I come from...” she paused, and gestured to both again with her foot as she took another bite of the cheese.
“Both?” said Hiccup softly, sitting back.
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Could the wildlings be from Arendelle? No, that was ridiculous. Arendelle folk wore fancy clothes - impractical ones, as well, utterly unsuited to the rough and tough of life. They used covered carriages to get around, and hardly knew what to do with a dragon if one did get that far south. And Hiccup knew some Arendellen, as the chief’s son, and though what Elsa spoke had the same sounds it was not Arendellen. And Arendelle always denied that they had anything to do with the wildlings, as hotly as Berk did. If anything, more so.
Perhaps too hotly.
“Omiit sonat taam?” said Elsa, snapping him out of his thoughts. She was holding up the last bit of cheese and nodding towards it. “Taam?”
“Cheese?” Hiccup figured that she wouldn’t much care about the fact it came from yaks. “Just... cheese.”
“Cheese,” Elsa said, fixing the piece with such a fierce look that it almost made Hiccup laugh. There was something almost challenging about it. She held up the bread in turn. “Lokeip?”
“Bread. Look, we should probably try some verbs to go with those nouns,” he said. His knees were starting to ache from crouching down, as well, and it was a relief to stand up. He held out one hand towards her again. “And see whether that brace helps at all. Come on, give it a try.”
Elsa produced a rag to wrap around her hand again before letting Hiccup help her to her feet. She still limped heavily on the way back up to the tent, but her breathing was less harsh, and the ice thawed around her feet as she made her way back up. A couple of low rocks close to the fire had pieces of leather on them, and Hiccup guessed that they were seats or tables or something, and let Elsa sit down on one.
The fire itself had obviously been out a long time. The ring of stones surrounded a small, damp pile of ash, and there was no wood anywhere in sight. Perhaps Elsa had been stealing from their wood stores to survive as well.
The morning involved an increasing amount of miming as they tried to express words to each other. Once or twice, Hiccup felt the air grow colder as frustration knitted Elsa’s brow, but then they would find some way around and it would grow warmer again. He might have to start bringing a cloak if he was going to be doing this regularly, though.
But Elsa was fast at picking up words. She watched Hiccup’s lips closely as he spoke, repeated new words as if she was finding the shape of them, and remembered everything that he had said the day before.
“Keep going like this,” he muttered at one point, “your Nothrur will be better than Snotlout’s before Snoggletog.”
Elsa just looked at him curiously, and said: “Snotlout?”
It took a long time for him to be able to stop laughing after that.
The sun was making an attempt to peek in through the top of the sinkhole when he remembered that he was supposed to be at the smithy for midday. Apologising profusely, Hiccup jumped to his feet, then thought to grab a couple of the old, chipped pots Elsa had and take them down to the pool to fill them up. She started to protest until he reached the edge, and when he glanced round she was looking relieved.
“Tomorrow?” said Elsa. He nodded. When he put the water down beside her, she out and touched his arm with her wrapped-up hand. “Hiccup. You’re welcome.”
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Gobber was waiting in the smithy with a pair of tongs on his left arm and a dubious expression. He looked over Hiccup, from his muddy knees to his scraped knuckles where he had been climbing out of the tunnel, and just shook his head.
“I’m not even going to ask. Now, apron on. Donkey needs shoeing, we’ve some tools need fixing, and the Nuts need their helmets strengthening again.”
“Yes, sir,” said Hiccup, grabbing his apron off the wall.
And I miscalculated, because I was originally going to stop at the line about Snotlout. Apparently I really, really cannot count.
Hiccup might be sassing, and to be honest I'd presumed that he was, but you have a point that Snotlout's tongue gets better. *snorts* I can imagine Hiccup falling off/over something and grazing himself, and Toothless just starts licking it before Hiccup can even stop him. ("Come on, bud, that's gross.") And then, huh, that healed quicker than normal, suspicious looks at the dragon.
I get the feeling from the various clips I've seen that Astrid/Hiccup is a thing but they totally fail to talk about it. Like everyone else just treats them like they're engaged but neither of them actually says anything. Betrothal was actually a pretty major thing in Viking society, pretty much like a contract between the two families being drawn up, but I doubt it's for that reason. I do find it sort of refreshing that the romance is just allowed to trickle along rather than being the major plot, though.
I daresay Stoick and Gobber are just like, "I don't know what's worst, chiefing, herding teenagers round the training ring, or coming home of an evening." We don't see much of Anna at 15, but we can assume that she's pretty bright and bubbly, and still tends to get into scrapes and trouble. And Elsa is usually calmer, but she probably still gets panic attacks and that's all it takes for the whole house to be iced up. If not the village. And Hiccup is... well, Hiccup.
Stoick, you are a secret softie. Reminds me of my grandfather, a complete hater of cats, who promptly fell in love with our family cat when the creature fell asleep on him. Like, "Well, he's not bad for a cat", but still. Apparently we are going to see some huge Thunderdrums in HTTYD2, so it's possible that Thornado is pretty young himself. Or that Thunderdrums live a really long time.
OMG. Gobber. What. Argh. CALLED IT. I really hope the follow-up line is, "Besides, your father was already married" or something, and a cut to Hiccup trying to do his poker face while the other teens all freeze and stare. Gobber, sweetie. I'd snuggle you, but your left hand is probably something sharp right now. STILL SHIPPING GOBBER/STOICK. I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP.
I thought of another possible explanation for Toothless today: he's a hybrid. Skrill crossed with... something, idk. Red Death. Some dragon we haven't come across. Maybe "lightning and death itself" is the description of where he comes from. And he's badass for reasons of hybrid vigour, and instead of having normal fire or using lightning, he creates the plasma blasts instead.
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That's probably how Hiccup figured it out, gets injured, Toothless licks his wound, and then oh, huh, Night Fury saliva heals wounds. He probably needs that fairly often. Boy falls off Toothless constantly in the tv series. Hiccup, that's part of the reason why I think it's a 50-50 shot of you surviving the franchise. Toothless has a magic tongue and wow does that sound dirty. Maybe Toothless's saliva is the fountain of youth!
Even America Ferrera (Astrid) has made a comment how they never say that they're boyfriend/girlfriend but she thinks that's what's going on. Yeah, plus, given what the movie is about (mother-son reuniting, Hiccup trying to figure who he is, conflict with man and dragons, Drago Bludvist), it's sort of appropriate to have their relationship/romance be there but without like being a major plot point.
All three of them combined (plus Toothless) probably push Stoick's patience to the limits and Gobber is mostly amused but is sometimes tired of it too.
Yeah, it looked like the dragons in the water in the beginning five minutes that are being all whale/dolphiny are Thunderdrums and wow, they looked pretty big. Those could either be older Thunderdrums, or even Thunderdrums that are thriving because wow, everything is so good, no Red Death and such.
Plus, there's a line that implies that Stoick was indeed married to Valka already the first time he and Gobber in How To Pick Your Dragon ("That's my wife you're talking you, you one-legged lout!"). Though, Hiccup trying to do a poker face in the face of oh, hey, Gobber has a thing for my dad is amusing. I can see Hiccup being super supportive of Gobber/Stoick, like totally supporting his dad finding happiness/love again after his mother (this would be pre-HTTYD2, I guess?). Bisexual Stoick who realizes in his late-ish 40s he's not completely straight is my new headcanon. I totally want some kinda OT3 thing with Gobber, Stoick, and Valka. This movie verse deserves like multiple poly relationships, omg.
Ooh, excellent explanation. Toothless being a hybrid of two different dragons of two dragons that define lightning and death itself (Skrill, of course.). And that's why there are no other Night Furies around. Because he's actually one of a kind.
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In Cast Out Part II, Gobber doesn't just bring a fish for Toothless, he checks on the food as well. And somehow I can't see Stoick being too much of a cook insert men and BBQs joke here. I don't know how old Hiccup was when Valka disappeared, but he talks about worrying he's going to forget her (in Breakneck Bog, I think?) so I figure he was maybe 4-6, just old enough to have a few memories. So someone had to have taken over running the house, and I'm putting my money on Gobber.
I'm making up words loosely based on Finnish, and fervently resisting the urge to create an entire conlang. I do have a somewhat usable one based on Welsh for my original novels, but I just plain don't read or understand enough Finnish to do that. Arendellen is supposed to be similar to Finnish, with the wildling language being an offshoot of that. I've named the Viking language Northur, which isn't even supposed to be transparent about being Norse. I know that Arendelle is based on Norway, but in that time period Old West Norse and Old East Norse were mutually intelligible, and closer than I even wanted Arendellen and the wildling dialect to be. So I pulled Arendelle over into the Finno-Ugric language family instead. (Have I gotten nerdy enough yet?)
(In case I haven't - the conlang I mentioned? I used it in Somnium. It's what Giselle uses when she does magic. I keep meaning to go back and edit that so she's speaking Atlantean instead, but I can speak Chaelit, the conlang, better than I speak Atlantean.)
Essentially, I look up a few relevant Finnish words, then cobble together something using the sounds of them.
THAT TURNED INTO A REALLY BIG DIGRESSION. Sorry.
*snorts* Make sure you don't mention that magic tongue to Dagur, Hiccup. He's already got plenty of thoughts about "you and that Night Fury". To be fair, he might only be picking up on the fandom trend of shipping Hiccup/Toothless, something not helped by "Yeah baby!" or by your failed attempt at a smushname with Hictooth. Honestly, Hiccup. It's Toothcup.
YES. I would totally ship a Valka-Stoick-Gobber triad, with Valka&Stoick being best buds and her occasionally going, "Fuck it, get him out of my hair for the day" or something. That line made me chuckle, as well. "One-legged lout" is like the worst and best term of endearment ever, I swear. It means that Gobber probably lost his hand and foot when he was quite young, as well, because he says that he only lost them a month apart and that was before he met Stoick and Valka. And that must have been before Hiccup was born, because he was enough of a friend by then to make Hiccup's diapers.
Hiccup pulls the best faces.
Though Toothless has his moments.
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Yeah, I thought the same thing with that Breakneck Bog comment about how he's worried about forgetting her, where I was running under an assumption that Hiccup was maybe 5 years old when his mother disappeared, but the sequel sort of makes his comment confusing because HTTYD2 apparently has it that she disappeared when Hiccup was an infant, so him having ANY memories of Valka is so dubious. It's sort of like how in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi has Leia talk about her real mother to Luke when Revenge of the Sith shows that MAYBE Leia got a glimpse of her mother shortly after being born before Padme croaked. Though, baby Hiccup probably had longer with his mother than Leia (a couple of months?). Though I doubt Hiccup is sensitive to the Force. Sensitive to dragons, maybe.
Gobber probably moved in for a while to help take care of infant Hiccup (making his diapers and such) after Valka disappeared. And continues to take care of Hiccup.
It's certainly very interesting because wow you have thought this out thoroughly. Excellent.
That wouldn't help matters at all, and Dagur probably does totally ship them. Even though, he pretty much wants to kill both of them. Hiccup does exclaim "Yeah, baby!" while riding Toothless quite a bit doesn't he. Hiccup, you're really not helping your case. Probably doesn't help either that Toothless lives in your room, too. Neither does saying "My first girlfriend is a dragon". Oh, Hiccup.
Ooh yes, triad of Valka, Stoick, and Gobber with Valka and Gobber being bros.
My guess would be around 20-years prior to Cast Out as being when Gobber met Stoick? Maybe a little before. Though, it kinda depends on when Stoick met Valka. And 20 years prior to Cast Out, Stoick would have been ~25. 18-20 sounds about right, especially with Hiccup being 15-16. Make it a couple of years of being friends with the Haddocks before little Hiccup is born. And the HTTYD website has Gobber at 55 as of HTTYD2, and would have been 35 when Hiccup was born, and 30 with 20 years prior to Cast Out, so yeah, he would have been relatively young when he lost his limbs. Not as young as Hiccup, but young.
I seriously love that second to the last image you share (the one right before super doofy Toothless, older Hiccup with arms out). Hiccup, you're a giant dork what is your face. Toothless and Hiccup are totally soul mates what with their making giant dorky faces. Toothless with his dorky face is probably why my headcanon of Toothless's inner voice/speaking voice is like part-Dug (and part-giant grump).
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I think Dagur goes beyond shipping and into fantasising about them. Dagur stop being so goddamn rapey holy shit. Like, you know he was trying to cop a feel when he kept putting his arm around Hiccup in The Night and the Fury. And then there was the "Nobody hurts Hiccup... except me." Well, I suppose I should have figured you for a sadist in the bedroom, Dagur.
Also, I think Toothless and Meatlug are the only dragons that live in the houses of their owners. Like, Stormfly and Thornado seem to be in this sheds outside, and Barf'n'Belch and Hookfang are way to big to fit in. Though it's probably hard to keep the Terrors out of anywhere, I have to admit.
(I have this awful feeling I'm going to want Terrors Everywhere to be a bad onrunning joke. Like, Terrors in the privy. Terrors sleeping in the kettle. Terrors in the fire at the smithy. Terrors trying to hatch chicken eggs. There's going to come a point that Terrors are going to appearing in every chapter or something.)
I'm withholding comment in a way until the second film comes out, but I'm still iffy about Hiccup being any younger than three when his mother disappeared. First because of the memories thing, and second because unweaned children really, really didn't tend to survive until very recently in history, and though he could have been weaned as early as a year it's questionable whether he would have had a good chance of survival even then. Though I'm sure there are some around the village who would privately blame that for Hiccup being, well... a hiccup.
Stoick is a great guy, and though I get frustrated with him at times I do understand where he's coming from and I do respect him. He has to balance being a chief in a particularly bad place (dragons, Beserkers, Outcasts, and in this fic wildlings and snooty Arendellens as well) while at the same time trying to manage Hiccup who, let's face it, cannot be the easiest kid to raise. Things like the "Is that another crack about my weight?" in Viking For Hire suggest that Hiccup's sass has been going on for quite a while, and the, "No, I'm not calling my father ridiculous. I'm calling my chief ridiculous." in Live and Let Fly probably mean that he manages to argue his way out of it a fair amount of the time.
I love the fact that Hiccup still pulls his dorky faces in the sequel. And the fact that Astrid has lightened up enough to dork around with him somewhat. (Snotlout's "Astrid has obvious anger issues" in Cast Out Part 1 might have been kinda harsh, but it was also kinda true.) Hiccup wouldn't be Hiccup if he wasn't kind of a dork?
What are your thoughts on HTTYD2 spoilers? Like, there are some rumours going around tumblr that would mean huge, HUGE spoilers if they were true, and I'm freaking out about them a bit. I usually like spoilers, but these aren't necessarily of the nice sort. :(
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I do, though, want to reference the trolls. Like, maybe there's this folklore in Arendelle that people with magic (or, you know, who are thought to have magic) have to be sent out into the wildlands, and if they're good then the trolls will take them in. And, well, that doesn't really happen (Kristoff will probably tie in there somewhere as the weird exception), but people believe that they do. So Elsa expected to be found by trolls, and maybe even her parents thought the trolls would take her in and take care of her, but that never happened. And there are probably some of the wildlings who keep an eye on the area near Arendelle in case anyone else gets cast out, and take them in. Only Elsa's powers are so unpredictable that even they won't stay with her for long, so she gets handed from person to person and eventually just gives up and lives by herself. But she's around people long enough to speak the wildling dialect and know how to survive.
As another side note, you know how Young McGuffin speaks in Brave? And everyone just looks at him like bwuh? The voice actor is speaking Doric dialect, a real Scottish dialect. If I put my ears on and concentrate I can pretty much understand what he's saying. That's how close Arendellen and the wildling dialect are supposed to be. Arendellen to Northur is more like Finnish to German, so practically mutually unintelligible.
The Beserkers and Berk folk seem to speak the same language, so I'm not sure whether they're separate tribes of wildlings or whether Dagur is just using the Berk language. (Or, you know, rule of ease for the actors.) But it's possible that they all use the same language (and, like, the Shivering Shores which gets referenced) but have slight dialects, more like the UK-US difference. So pretty easy to understand each other, but some words have changed and they've probably picked up some local words that the other hasn't. I would laugh a lot if Dagur didn't know what skivvies were.
ALSO also, I was thinking at work today how I could get a sitaution as bad as the movie without just copying the movie, and I was thinking about maybe having Hiccup get shot down while he was riding Toothless. Like, someone (either the twins, messing about, or Astrid figuring that Hiccup actually might have an idea with those smarts of his after all) uses the bola throwing thing again, and they think they're just taking down a dragon but they hit Hiccup, and the shit hits the fan this way.
This would have to be before the visiting-Arendelle-meeting-Anna plot thread, natch, but I'm not sure how to have Hiccup losing his leg. I'm not convinced I want to go ahead and use the Red Death, but on the other hand I can't think of an alternative route to get the huge, huge fight that it needs to sort out the Hiccup & Stoick relationship and to justify Hiccup losing his leg.
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Dagur totally fantasizes omg. And Dagur, no STOP TOUCHING Hiccup. Like, jeez. And even when they first see each other in that episode, it’s because Dagur has PINNED Hiccup down. Like, omg, show, seriously. (In a slightly different context, Astrid straddles Tuffnut when she attacks him for scaring her, Fishlegs, and Hiccup in Breakneck Bog). I half-expect him to make a comment to Hiccup where he basically insinuates Toothcup shenanigans happening. And Hiccup’s like, I beg your pardon, did you just…?
It seems like all the dragons except Toothless have their own pen/stall/stable in the Dragon Academy, that they probably use if they feel the need (or if the plot demands it, like in Cast Out Part 1). I figure the larger dragons like Hookfang (who is shown inside Snotlout’s house in Race to Fireworm Island) and Barf and Belch and maybe Stormfly stay in the Academy.
Ooh, the weaning argument is an excellent point about Hiccup being so young when his mum disappeared. Hopefully, Hiccup had a wet nurse or another recent mom stepped into help out or something.
I love the "No, I'm not calling my father ridiculous. I'm calling my chief ridiculous." comment that Hiccup makes because I found it very awesome that Hiccup was able to separate Stoick’s two roles and say, “No, dad isn’t being ridiculous, but chief is.” I just like that he made that distinction.
Clearly Hiccup’s dorkiness has rubbed off on Astrid by the time of HTTYD2. And, yeah, I agree. Hiccup wouldn’t be the same without that dorkiness.
Ah yes, the HTTYD2 spoilers. My understanding is the following the screening of the film at Cannes (at which it got a standing ovation apparently!!!), some reviewers included some information from the film, that yeah, are massive spoilers. And the Tumblr HTTYD fandom is understandably upset and whatnot. Hell, I was discombobulated/uneasy all day following what I saw. I know at least part of the spoiler.
I’m sort of pragmatic about spoilers, I guess. I recognize that it’s inevitable that I’ll have something from a movie or tv show or book or whatever spoiled for me because of the nature of the Internet. I mean, I knew before heading into Cap2 that HYDRA did some bad shit with SHIELD because I didn’t see it until the next Wednesday after it came out in theaters (plus, I watch Agents of SHIELD and the episode that came out that Tuesday was directly related to Cap2). But, at the same time, I want to be surprised I guess about things? I think overall, with HTTYD2 spoilers, I’ve been fairly cavalier about any spoilers in general because I just want the thing so much that I’ll watch clips and trailers and read Wondercon summaries of the first hour and listening to music released, but like, I suppose as long as I don’t find out the ending per se, I’m okay?
I feel like, it’s one thing to READ about a spoiler of something happening, but it’s another thing entirely to witness said thing happening.
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And ooh, that’s a good way to reference the trolls.
Gosh, that Doric dialect is hard to understand. I think I’ve seen at least one translation of something he said, but the rest, I wish he had subtitles for.
Yeah, that makes sense that Berk and the Beserkers would be speaking different dialects of the same language and it’d basically be like US-UK difference. That explanation totally works for me.
Maybe Hiccup and Toothless being shot down would cause the loss of the tail fin and Hiccup’s leg? Or just, Hiccup and Toothless getting shot down outs them so to speak and then KABOOM, Stoick’s livid and ready to go find the dragon nest. Or even both.
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...Okay, yeah, I gave up and started making a list of the food that gets mentioned. Only into Animal House so far, though. So that's happening.
Hell, yaks. How did that not strike me as weird. I'm going to put that down as another tick in the 'post-apocalyptic' box and leave it at that.
Yeah, when Astrid starts straddling people, it's usually because she's beating them up, and it doesn't manage to look too sexual. However, Dagur manages to make just about everything look sexual. I may see if I can come up with some sort of insinuation for him to make, because there is no way I am not using Dagur at some point in this. And having Dagur get rapey at Hiccup. And possibly have Dagur get rapey at Hans, because I just have that wrong sort of sense of humour and I think Hans getting rapied at would be fucking hysterical especially after he's been seen macking on a 15-nearly-16-year-old. How do you like it, eh, Hans?
Hell, I totally forgot about Hookfang being in the 'Lout house. Apparently there is some door large enough to fit a Monstrous Nightmare through or something. idk.
Yeah, the spoilers are... really eyebrow-raising. Personally I'm glad that I had some warning, because if they're true then it might be something that I need to prepare myself for, but... yeah. I'm pretty pro-spoiler anyway. I knew from the prompts here that Hans turned evil, so I was watching out for signs, for example. And I like reading wiki pages before I watch things. But if this one's true, then I'm really not sure how I feel about it.
Having no choice is a very good idea with regards to Elsa's parents. Actually, I'm starting to get this vague idea that maybe there's a group that has an almost cultish hold over Arendelle, anti-magic, and they're the ones that Hans uses to help get himself manipulated onto the throne. I even sort of want to do this thing about having "three trials" - trial by sea, which involves being tied to a post during low tide, under the theory that if you get saved from drowning somehow then you're innocent, but if you drown then you were guilty; trial by land, which is what Elsa gets; or trial by sky, which would be getting tied to the top of the tallest tower in Arendelle and would probably end with death by either lightning or dragons. Or maybe make it "four trials" and, as you say, have a fire one as well. And usually this cultish group decides which one it's going to be, and even as King, Elsa's father only has enough power to insist on it being the land one.
The next question is how (and how long) Arendelle has been keeping this a secret from the Vikings. Because I cannot imagine that being a very good thing to discover. But that's probably for the second wave, when it starts moving away from the Hiccup side of the story and towards the Elsa side of the story.
As an aside, I'm not sure when Elsa is going to start to go towards her Snow Queen persona either. Certainly the dress won't be for quite a while.
I'm leaning towards 'saving' the losing-the-leg, as it were? Because I want that to be a major thing, like it's the cost of winning and the badge of winning both at the same time. I'm trying to think of a story which is parallel but different enough to be interesting, and I think I'm going to have Hiccup talk his way into working at/cleaning out the dragons, like apprenticing to Gobber on that front as well. So he's actually close to the dragons that way, and uses what he learns from Toothless there, and probably ends up saving someone's ass. Maybe Astrid, if I really want to piss Astrid off. Or maybe Fishlegs, to try to set up more of a friendship there.
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Maybe even Stoick was keeping half an eye on Hiccup's progress, and was considering taking him to see if Hiccup could help them find dragon island. Only Hiccup refuses and runs off, and then he gets shot down, and the shit really hits the fan on all accounts.
Also, I'm now playing around with gronckle iron. So Hiccup might get a gronckle iron leg.
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Hans and Dagur could be very happy together. Or a terrifying force to reckon with. Omg, I want this now. Political marriage between Hans and Dagur that literally is just two super evil dudes causing so much trouble for the rest of the world. Oops.
I guess Snotlout figures out a way to get Hookfang into the house when he’s sick because Race to Fireworm Island and Dragon Flower (both where he is ill) either show or mention Hookfang being in the house. Aww, Snotlout you do care!
The content of the spoiler itself (at least what I know of it) is pretty upsetting, though it’s not like I don’t expect something in that sort of realm to happen to characters of this franchise. Yeah, I think having a little bit of pre-warning might help out when I’m seeing the actual movie in theaters because I remember my reaction to what happened to Coulson in The Avengers (which can be summed up as “Everything has gone horribly wrong. I want to leave.” I mean, I stayed, but I was pretty upset.)
Yeah, but wouldn’t the King, who has the most power of the land be able to say, “Nope. This isn’t happening.”?
Maybe as long as the War on Dragons has been going on (300 years, which I gather is how long since Berk was first settled)?
I just sort of imagine that if it’s after Toothless has met Hiccup and Elsa, Toothless just persistently firing at her ice powers to get her to stop.
Yeah, saving the losing the leg thing for later makes sense, because of the reasons you explain, and it’s such an important thing to happen in the original film. And, ooh, maybe he could save both their asses, piss off Astrid a bit and make a friendship with Fishlegs. I do love the Power Trio thing that Hiccup, Astrid, and Fishlegs have that shows itself in the tv series. I adore that moment in The Eel Effect when Fishlegs shows great concern over him and Meatlug going against the Typhoomerang and if it seems fair to Hiccup and as Hiccup throws himself off Meatlug onto Toothless he’s like, “Nope! The Typhoomerang doesn’t stand a chance!” The faith and trust he has in Fishlegs in that episode made me really happy.
I like all of that. The apprenticing with cleaning out dragons and the way Toothless is found. And ooh, Hiccup getting rescued by Astrid and Elsa? I like it. It reminds me of a remark in the tv show Kim Possible where a girl Ron is into suggests they go help some other people from the sitch they were in and he says, “Are all girls like this, or just the ones I know?” Though, I’m sure Elsa won’t hit Hiccup like Astrid does.
I do love Gronckle Iron. It’s so awesome. I’m just in love with that shield of his he makes with that iron, too. Like, he takes Gobber’s advice about shields to heart. He chooses the shield. And not only that, he uses material made by a dragon, and he has a beautiful image of his protector/partner/best friend on it too. So, even when Toothless is unable to protect him, the shield with Toothless’s image can. I sort of wish it could show up in the sequel even though that’s unlikely. I just love it so much. But, Gronckle Iron leg would be just as awesome. Gronckle Iron is so cool. Until Meatlug ends up magnetic and starts running through the village and kidnaps Hiccup again. I did love Fishlegs having to ride Toothless. Like, Toothless’s reaction is like, “Oh crap, Meatlug took Hiccup! Well, hey, Fishlegs is here. GET ON MY BACK, FISHLEGS, WE GOTTA GO GET ‘EM!”
Also, I had been thinking about that 20 years thing (where Hiccup would be an infant when Valka disappeared) and I had a thought. Perhaps it’s not that precise and it’s more of a rounding-up? Perhaps it’s not 20 years exactly and rather, a number that’s more than 15 but less than 20. I mean, it’s probably easier to say that it’s been twenty years rather than it’s been eighteen years or she disappeared 17 years, 9 months, and 12 days ago.
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