The Hunger Games

Apr 08, 2012 21:05

I read the books last month and I have to say I'm not totally obsessed with them for a number of reasons ( Read more... )

sondheim, jane austen, sunday in the park with george, the hunger games, harry potter, star wars, pride and prejudice, remember wenn, myers-briggs

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digne April 11 2012, 03:38:26 UTC
LOL! So you're Betty and I'm Victor, we'll not take the metaphoric relationship further than that ;-)

There are lots of cool INFJ in fiction besides Betty, such as ... *drum roll* Elizabeth Bennet in Pride and Prejudice. Although some people think Elizabeth is an ENFJ, this paper from the Jane Austen Society of North America details why she's an INFJ: Jane Austen meets Carl Jung: Pride, Prejudice, and Personality Theory

I love Keirsey's site and his book, Please Understand Me, since you've found that site here are other INFJ profiles:

http://www.typelogic.com/infj.html (warning: Some of the famous people of this type that this site lists are a little questionable, but the type profiles are quite good)

http://www.personalitypage.com/INFJ.html

http://russellrowe.com/Myers-Briggs%20Typology%20System.htm#INFJ

http://personalityjunkie.com/the-infj/

Here's some INFJ humor:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIF6_DEkT2o7q-cpbwc3kV5SMC-l2Pwd7a9t8zOyyQWbq6PTviCIyj3T7eEA

http://www.bradgarbus.com/Personal-Details/personality-profile/istj-personality/infj-posters-charts

A few different ones: http://youtu.be/IpCTLrGOGPs

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litlover12 April 11 2012, 22:57:34 UTC
Thanks! As I've looked at some of this stuff on the Web, I find it interesting but rather confusing. The actual letters seem to make sense (although I'm a little fuzzy on J and P), but when they get into combining them -- like NFs are one way and SJs are another -- or when they start to talk about dominant and tertiary and what not, I get all mixed up! :-) And why do they say I have extroverted feeling when there's no E in mine?

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digne April 12 2012, 04:51:23 UTC
I'll try to keep this brief but you asked several questions so there's a lot to go over

1. J and P

The names of those don't make sense. But basically J/P asks the question "how does this person spend energy?" Do you randomly do things or do you like to plan your decisions in advance? Js like to have questions settled, they like to make a commitment and mostly stick with it, Ps like to keep their options open and not commit right away (You never know when some new piece of information might come along and change your decision. So let's not commit just yet; let's cross that bridge when we come to it.).

In exaggerated form the J-P conflict is illustrated in The Odd Couple. Oscar the sob is a P and Felix the neat-freak is a J.

The other basic questions:
I vs. E
Do you get more energy through time alone (Introvert) or time with other people (Extrovert).

N vs. S
Do you gain information about the world through your senses (Sensing) or through feelings and ideas (iNtuition). (Ss spend most of their time living in the present moment absorbing information through their senses. Ns spend most of their time ignoring their senses -- or at least paying only minor attention to them. Ns prefer to think about ideas and feelings -- i.e. they daydream most of the time)

F vs. T
Do you make decisions based on logic (Thinker) or emotion (Feeler).

Let me me be quick to point out that none of these are right or wrong in and of themselves. Any one of these traits taken to the extreme can cause problems. We all need a little balance.

2. Combining letters (NF, SJ, NT and SP)

Reread my post above that lists the type for WENN characters. I discussed those briefly.

To make things similar (or more straight forward as to what these letter mean) Keirsey has renamed them as follows (shown with links to more information about each group)

Guardian (SJ) http://keirsey.com/4temps/guardian_overview.asp
Rational (NT) http://keirsey.com/4temps/rational_overview.asp
Idealist (NF) http://keirsey.com/4temps/idealist_overview.asp
Artisan (SP) http://keirsey.com/4temps/artisan_overview.asp

You, being an iNFj, are an Idealist.

(see next post, LJ wouldn't let me post it all)

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digne April 12 2012, 04:52:39 UTC
3. Dominant and tertiary (e.g. extroverted feeling)

There are many schools of thought in Myers-Briggs. The system was invented by Carl Jung and greatly expanded on by Katharine Cook Briggs and her daughter Isabel Briggs Myers. David Keirsey further expanded it. And I'm sure there are others.

Going back to Jung's original system, He sought to find each person's dominant Function. And each Function can be introverted or extroverted (meaning it is either inward-focused or outward-focused). It gets very complicated but here is a basic break down.

E vs. I and J vs. P are statements of ATTITUDES

S vs. N is the PERCEPTION FUNCTION
F vs. T is the JUDGING FUNCTION

If the last letter in your type is J, then you will use your JUDGING FUNCTION (T or F) in your external world. You will use your PERCEPTION FUNCTION (S or N) in your internal world.

If the first letter of your type is I (Introvert), the Function you use in your preferred inner world is your dominant, the other function is your auxiliary (#2).

So, as an INFJ, your iNtuition is introverted (Ni) and your Feeling is extroverted (Fe)

Remember that all people have all the traits. We just don't use the other traits as much. So those Functions you don't have (in your case, T and S), take the 3rd (tertiary) and 4th (inferior) place in order of importance. In Jung's theory, the inferior position is the trait that is the least developed and it is given the opposite ATTITUDE of your type (for you, this would be extroverted sencing: Se).

There's no agreement as to wither the 3rd position (tertiary) is extraverted or introverted. Some think that since it's kind of in the middle of the group it may have a swing role and alternate between being extraverted or introverted (your tertiary function would be T).

Thus, Jung's system organized the types into these 8 groups (your dominate Function is your group):

Se
Si
Ne
Ni -- your group
Te
Ti
Fe
Fi

By contrast, David Keirsey disagreed with Jung and believed that N and S are the most defining traits and thus organized the types into his groups: NF, NT, SP and SJ.

I hope you were able to follow all that. I know it's very complicated.

Personally, I find Jung system to be useful and insightful, but Keirsey's system seems to work better (e.g. Jung would put John Wayne and Albert Einstein into the same group since they were both introverted-Thinkers; Keirsey separates them).

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litlover12 April 12 2012, 13:22:30 UTC
That is VERY helpful! Thank you for taking the time to explain it!

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