Re: obviouslydigitalgothFebruary 26 2007, 21:38:44 UTC
*sigh* Here's how I'm going to deal with this comment:
Maybe you missed it, but then again, since I have no idea who this is I can't say. The mail I delivered is -precisely- what I said I was going to deliver 3 weeks ago... She voiced no complaint in three weeks after I stated what I was going to do, so I assumed she didn't have any other options to give me. The mail was 1 magazine that she paid for, a W2 so she can do her taxes legally, and some other stuff that I simply didn't even look at.
I didn't see her, I handed the mail to her father, and said precisely this: "Mail. For Laurel." I did not ask to see her, I made no motion besides handing the mail to her father and walking away.
I did not try to talk to Laurel, I have not tried to talk to Laurel for over 2 months with the exception of when I asked her what she wanted me to do with her W2.
Obviously, the fact that I did precisely what I said I was going to do 3 weeks ago somehow bothered her enough to mention it to someone, or post about it on here on Livejournal. Either way, it's not my issue. I didn't try to bother her.
Now stop hiding behind your mask of anonymity of a newly created LJ account and try saying any of this to me in person. Please. No malice, no threats, nothing intended besides the desire to have you grow up a bit.
Re: obviouslydigitalgothFebruary 26 2007, 22:21:53 UTC
Here we go again. The W2 was the very top item on the stack of mail. From the "Pacific Staffing Group". There were 2 other envelopes in there that I didn't sort out as well as the ones you just mentioned. Any other lies?
Why else stop by? Because I, (idiotically) did not look into what it took to forward mail to someone. I was in the area, I dropped it off.
I repeat: I have left her alone. I haven't made any attmept to contact her, see her, or talk to her with the exception of when I asked her what she wanted me to do with her W2. She called me a liar then and said that she had received all of hers. In this at least, I was not an idiot and 3 other people saw the W2 and saw me leave with it to go to her house.
But I am tired of hearing unsubstantiated rumour laced bullshit from people who have "heard enough". Because there isn't any way you could have actually witnessed any of it. If you had, you wouldn't need the anonymity.
Now please go leave me alone. Provide me the same degree of human decency that you are asking me to give her. Unless you've got some other reason for talking to me, I'm going to keep asking you exactly the same thing I've been asking you for 2 years: Corey, please leave me alone. You don't have anonymity, this is the internet. Leave me alone.
Re: obviouslyoniglassFebruary 26 2007, 22:49:31 UTC
You're so big and strong and tough, standing up for your friend "anonymously." If you're going to stand up for someone you should at least have the balls to do it under your name. It's not like Jay's going to care.
On that note: Hi, I'm Oni. Stop being a dick to my friend. He dropped off some fucking mail. What the fuck ever; that's not harassment. It's not like he called her 20 times and broke her window. Get over it. Let the girl handle her own shit. Why are you involved in her break-up drama anyway? That's nine shades of not your business.
So, what did you say your name was? Oh that's right you didn't. You're not standing up for anyone if you're not acknowledging that you are someone other than them. For all anyone knows, you could be her using a psudonymn. So either be yourself, or sit down and shut up.
Re: obviouslyperstefaniFebruary 26 2007, 23:26:25 UTC
Honey, I hate to tell ya, but stopping by someone's journal to bitch them out for something that is really not your business in the first place is also harrassing someone. You claim to be looking out for your friend, yet the fact of the matter is you just want another reason to do what you are claiming he is doing to her. This, my dear, is called hypocrisy. Look it up.
Opinionated.perstefaniFebruary 27 2007, 00:32:44 UTC
1. Checking IP addresses is a pretty standard thing people do when a troll invades their personal space. I know I would.
2. You can't claim to know someone better than most people when you dated for a year but broke up two years ago. People change a lot in a couple years - hell, people change a lot in a couple months. I would hope you have too, but it's seeming like you've got a lot of bullshit you're still clinging to with regard to your past relationship with Jay. Don't claim to know him though, you know him 2 years ago, and your rage about how things ended up feed your idea of who he is, which is misguided because you are too attached to your pain.
3. People smack people in the head/shoulder/arm playfully all of the time. Friends, siblings, lovers. Sometimes it gets misinterpreted. Sometimes some outside person brainwashes one party into thinking it was malicious and some form of abuse (they have books on this shit). Misunderstandings happen, and people like you feed off of them. There's a big difference between smacking someone in the head in a sarcastic way (which I myself have been known to do, and I'm sure Jay has as well), and say punching/shoving/hitting with the intent on hurting someone physically. People who jump to abuse the way you have really piss me off to no end, because I watched it happen to my Mom for years, and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. So stop the bullshit abuse case.
4. You were happy to leave him alone? Uh... hello... Why are you here? Don't put up this facade of "I felt compelled out of love for my friend." You only started caring about this girl because if fit your personal agenda. You're not a martyr.
5. Talking trash here just makes you look like a juvenile, insecure, child. If you really cared about Laurel, you would do your best to help her find the things in life she loves, and hold onto those, and make her look strong, instead of the desperate sort of person you're giving the impression that you are, and by proxy so might she. Instead of focusing on her past, as you appear to do with your own issues as well, you should be focusing on who she is now, and what she has to offer the world - and what she has to offer for herself. Everyone has a difficult breakup or two in their life - it's how you deal with the difficult parts that shows the kind of person you really are at the heart of it all. No matter what happened between them, if she's angry at him, that's the best thing she can do for herself - let it go. Sure, be angry, but why the hell would you ever want the object of your anger know that they affect you that much if you're so convinced they are lower than the lowest scum on earth? If you were a true friend, and really cared you would understand these things, and not be here right now. But then, that takes you realizing the same thing and moving on with your life like an adult. Which you are, quite obviously, not.
I wish you the best of luck getting past your issues with Jay, because this isn't really about Laurel at all, is it? It's about you, and your need to get back at Jay. One needn't know jack about you as a person to see that just in this thread alone.
Re: Opinionated.phyxiusFebruary 27 2007, 01:26:36 UTC
Thank you. You articulated what I havent been able to for at least a year. I stayed friendly with her for a while, because I dont like to immediately write people off based on something that doesnt really involve me. But hearing her repeat the same things over and over, passing off biased judgments and opinions as facts, for the past two years, to the point of ridiculousness, has finally worn me down.
And now you come in and sum it all up perfectly. :)
Maybe you missed it, but then again, since I have no idea who this is I can't say.
The mail I delivered is -precisely- what I said I was going to deliver 3 weeks ago... She voiced no complaint in three weeks after I stated what I was going to do, so I assumed she didn't have any other options to give me. The mail was 1 magazine that she paid for, a W2 so she can do her taxes legally, and some other stuff that I simply didn't even look at.
I didn't see her, I handed the mail to her father, and said precisely this: "Mail. For Laurel." I did not ask to see her, I made no motion besides handing the mail to her father and walking away.
I did not try to talk to Laurel, I have not tried to talk to Laurel for over 2 months with the exception of when I asked her what she wanted me to do with her W2.
Obviously, the fact that I did precisely what I said I was going to do 3 weeks ago somehow bothered her enough to mention it to someone, or post about it on here on Livejournal. Either way, it's not my issue. I didn't try to bother her.
Now stop hiding behind your mask of anonymity of a newly created LJ account and try saying any of this to me in person. Please. No malice, no threats, nothing intended besides the desire to have you grow up a bit.
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The W2 was the very top item on the stack of mail. From the "Pacific Staffing Group". There were 2 other envelopes in there that I didn't sort out as well as the ones you just mentioned. Any other lies?
Why else stop by? Because I, (idiotically) did not look into what it took to forward mail to someone. I was in the area, I dropped it off.
I repeat: I have left her alone. I haven't made any attmept to contact her, see her, or talk to her with the exception of when I asked her what she wanted me to do with her W2. She called me a liar then and said that she had received all of hers. In this at least, I was not an idiot and 3 other people saw the W2 and saw me leave with it to go to her house.
But I am tired of hearing unsubstantiated rumour laced bullshit from people who have "heard enough". Because there isn't any way you could have actually witnessed any of it. If you had, you wouldn't need the anonymity.
Now please go leave me alone. Provide me the same degree of human decency that you are asking me to give her. Unless you've got some other reason for talking to me, I'm going to keep asking you exactly the same thing I've been asking you for 2 years:
Corey, please leave me alone.
You don't have anonymity, this is the internet. Leave me alone.
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On that note: Hi, I'm Oni. Stop being a dick to my friend. He dropped off some fucking mail. What the fuck ever; that's not harassment. It's not like he called her 20 times and broke her window. Get over it. Let the girl handle her own shit. Why are you involved in her break-up drama anyway? That's nine shades of not your business.
So, what did you say your name was? Oh that's right you didn't. You're not standing up for anyone if you're not acknowledging that you are someone other than them. For all anyone knows, you could be her using a psudonymn. So either be yourself, or sit down and shut up.
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2. You can't claim to know someone better than most people when you dated for a year but broke up two years ago. People change a lot in a couple years - hell, people change a lot in a couple months. I would hope you have too, but it's seeming like you've got a lot of bullshit you're still clinging to with regard to your past relationship with Jay. Don't claim to know him though, you know him 2 years ago, and your rage about how things ended up feed your idea of who he is, which is misguided because you are too attached to your pain.
3. People smack people in the head/shoulder/arm playfully all of the time. Friends, siblings, lovers. Sometimes it gets misinterpreted. Sometimes some outside person brainwashes one party into thinking it was malicious and some form of abuse (they have books on this shit). Misunderstandings happen, and people like you feed off of them. There's a big difference between smacking someone in the head in a sarcastic way (which I myself have been known to do, and I'm sure Jay has as well), and say punching/shoving/hitting with the intent on hurting someone physically. People who jump to abuse the way you have really piss me off to no end, because I watched it happen to my Mom for years, and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. So stop the bullshit abuse case.
4. You were happy to leave him alone? Uh... hello... Why are you here? Don't put up this facade of "I felt compelled out of love for my friend." You only started caring about this girl because if fit your personal agenda. You're not a martyr.
5. Talking trash here just makes you look like a juvenile, insecure, child. If you really cared about Laurel, you would do your best to help her find the things in life she loves, and hold onto those, and make her look strong, instead of the desperate sort of person you're giving the impression that you are, and by proxy so might she. Instead of focusing on her past, as you appear to do with your own issues as well, you should be focusing on who she is now, and what she has to offer the world - and what she has to offer for herself. Everyone has a difficult breakup or two in their life - it's how you deal with the difficult parts that shows the kind of person you really are at the heart of it all. No matter what happened between them, if she's angry at him, that's the best thing she can do for herself - let it go. Sure, be angry, but why the hell would you ever want the object of your anger know that they affect you that much if you're so convinced they are lower than the lowest scum on earth? If you were a true friend, and really cared you would understand these things, and not be here right now. But then, that takes you realizing the same thing and moving on with your life like an adult. Which you are, quite obviously, not.
I wish you the best of luck getting past your issues with Jay, because this isn't really about Laurel at all, is it? It's about you, and your need to get back at Jay. One needn't know jack about you as a person to see that just in this thread alone.
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And now you come in and sum it all up perfectly. :)
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