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Aug 15, 2005 13:37

So yesterday I moved into the apartment with Brian. I still have a ton of stuff to unpack and reorganize, but so far so good ( Read more... )

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glenej3 August 16 2005, 02:56:34 UTC
calling women "females" is derogatory..."female" should be used as an adjective and not a noun when referring to a woman

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densvensk August 16 2005, 12:00:26 UTC
I hope you are kidding.

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glenej3 August 16 2005, 20:42:21 UTC
Of course I'm not.

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densvensk August 16 2005, 20:48:10 UTC
"female" is not derogatory. To say "She is a female" is the exact same as saying "She is a woman". Both are words describing the sex/gender of the person. If that's the case, then people saying "He's just a typical male" is derogatory.

Plus derogatory means to put down. Now had I said "We talked about bitches", yes that would be derogatory. Saying a word that describes the sex of someone is not putting them down.

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glenej3 August 16 2005, 21:23:30 UTC
"Female" is not derogatory if it is used as an adjective to indicate sex, but it is if used as a noun. "She is a female" is absolutely not the same thing as "She is a woman"; "She is a female" could refer to a female bird, a female dog, a female horse, a female rabbit, etc., whereas "She is a woman" clearly refers to a person (because "woman" means a female human being). Calling a woman a female (or a man a male) defines that person by only her or his sex instead of acknowledging her/him first as a human being. It is derogatory to overlook anyone's personhood. It's true that "Saying a word that describes the sex of someone is not putting them down," but you neglected to acknowledge the person, which absolutely puts someone down. And of course calling someone a "typical male" is derogatory; it goes both ways. Anyway, I'm not looking to argue with you, but I wanted to let you know that some people find it offensive to be referred to by only their sex.

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densvensk August 17 2005, 12:04:43 UTC
Stop being such a female. :)


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glenej3 August 18 2005, 18:14:33 UTC
I find it neither funny nor cute when someone deliberately disrespects me.

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densvensk August 18 2005, 18:39:12 UTC
I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to disrespect you - I was merely trying to make light of the whole conversation ( ... )

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glenej3 August 19 2005, 06:52:02 UTC
After I explain to you that some people, clearly myself included, find it derogatory to be referred to by only their sex, for you to completely disregard my statements and refer to me using the exact words to which I object is nothing if not disrespectful.

Furthermore, this is not about “female empowerment.” This is about appropriate and respectful word usage that is sensitive to labels so as to maintain peoples’ individualities rather than broadly classify them as objects.

I'm not sure that I completely follow your female/feminine assertion, but if I understand it correctly, the problem with it comes down, again, to particle of speech. Consider: “Feminine” is an adjective, so it is appropriate to say “She is feminine,” just as it is appropriate to say “She is female.” However, to say “She is a feminine” is not appropriate-She is a feminine what? Just as She is a female what? The pronoun "she" does not by definition exclusively refer to a human, which you seemed to suggest in your post. If she is a female human being, then she ( ... )

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