The long and strange track I chose.

Jan 09, 2007 02:04

The long and strange track I chose; the long road that leads me out to God knows.

--Glen Hansard, lead guitarist and vocalist of The FramesI love that quote. It's like my non-Bible life quote, as you can see from my livejournal userinfo page ( Read more... )

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Re: islam israel demann6654 January 16 2007, 06:11:56 UTC
This makes the conflict between Ishmael and Isaac and there descendants a work of fiction. I would strongly suggest it is clear cut case of racial discrimination and nothing to do with god almighty.

Assuming that what was stated held up to scholarly criticism. Your objections are speculative at best.

The scribes have deliberately tried to make Isaac the only son and legitimate heir to the throne of Abraham??

If they were trying to do that, they probably would have removed Ishmael from the story completely. He could probably be compared to a guest star in the book of Genesis; his removal would not affect the story very much.

Please can you rationally explain this anomaly?

See above.

I have asked many persons including my nephews and nieces - unbiased minds with no religious backgrounds but with reasonable command of the English language about this passage and they all agree that the child in the passage is an infant.

There are times when more than an unbiased mind is needed. There are times when scholarly resources will help fill in the gaps in the story. Times like this.

The story would make sense if the child were an infant. But it also makes sense if he was a teenager--and the Bible implies that he would, by this time, be a teenager.

Since there is no reason to question the authority of the Bible in this case, we must assume that it is true in regards to the age of Ishmael. You have not proven why it should not be trusted here.

Please note this is not a competition between faiths but an attempt to decipher fact from fiction.

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http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/Muhammad_Bible.HTM
(MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE)
http://bible.islamicweb.com/
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
(ISRAELI HOLOCAUST AND WAR CRIMES)
http://ifamericansknew.com/
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm
(BIBLE, QURAN and SCIENCE)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ ANTI-WAR
http://www.harunyahya.com/
(EVOLUTION DECEIPT)

HOLY QURAN CHAPTER 37 verses 101 - 122

Then why is it necessary for you to end your critique with a list of pro-Islam websites?

I believe I have adequately made the case that these passages of scripture are not objectively fiction. They are not self-contradictory within themselves. If you are willing to accept that fact as authoratative, then you must, in good conscious, recognize that it is perhaps you who need to study the issues thoroughly and see if there is truth.

It is easy to cite what looks like a contradiction because it satisfies your bias and subjective feelings. It is a lot harder to look at things for what they really are, because when we do this, we are very often dissatisfied.

I hope the sentiments expressed here are honest. It would be a shame if they were simply a mask for ignorance.

A: http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1783

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