so much for your promises...
Brad is back, after he assured me he had "ended the conversation" on his end.
Sigh.
I'll just paste his latest verbal parry rather than making anyone look it up in the week-old post he's just now responding to:
Oh my goodness Delylah. You've gone dark on me!!
I haven't seen such a clear case of childish petulance since ... well, that Tartanboxers incident that you like bringing up. Which is the key to all this, I think.
I spent the day swimming with my kids and had a great time ...
That's nice. But I think you should have waited a little after your swim before making your post ... you seem to have still been in 'little kid' mode when you wrote it. At least that's one (generous) explanation for the infantilism I see here.
Still, your boys and I can say that we now have one thing in common ... we've all seen you jump well and truly off the deep end. :-)
The sheer *stupidity* of what you wrote. The need to get the 'last word', while taking great pains to show that I have no 'power' over you, no sirree! Handwaving insinuations as to my own lifestyle and then childishly attacking same. Misdirection and assumptions on the one hand, attacks on the other.
Sooooo boring.
Soooo infantile. Really, had you written 'Nah nah na na nah!!' at that point it would have blended right in with the rest of the rant. This "codswallop" might have impressed your boys when you had them proofread it in the pool, but it doesn't measure up to adult standards.
The really interesting thing about all this, though, is how *quickly* you descended from the urbane to the uncivilised. From an intelligent HP fan to the affronted shipping fundamentalist. From the Delylah with whom I have conversed for 4+ years ... to a mindless clone of those poor prior opponents of mine whose history you'd been researching.
In 46 hours you went from "I'll play along for now" to my "calling Ginny names that you knew would offend me", my "sneering at [you] behind innocuous smiley faces" and your putting me on trial for my past misdemeanours against the gutter end of the H/G fandom. In less than two days your perusal of past posts turned you into an aggressive and bitter H/G shipper.
I find this *fascinating*!
How could you be brainwashed so quickly? What made you so impressionable? Did my arguments against your fanatic compatriots so enrage and empower you that you felt you had to go to DEFCON 1 in waging your war against the infidel? IN THE NAME OF GINNY WEASLEY, WHOM MADDERBRAD HAS GRIEVOUSLY INSULTED (uhm, months and months ago, and in other blogs, not mine, uhm), ATTTTTAAACCCKKK!!!!
I suspect you took up this battle largely owing to some sort of allegiance to the fangirl zombies I took on more than a year ago. You're just a little bit late coming to the party, that's all ... but you still picked the fight with me regardless. And that's what you were doing here, Delylah. Making mountains out of molehills.
Has anyone in the history of Livejournal ever allowed herself to be prejudiced so quickly ... by the fossils of fandom history?
It really is interesting. I started cottoning on to your brainwashing a few posts earlier, when you starting regurgitating all the tired old "attack Brad so we don't have to think of reasons why we defend Ginny/H/G/Jo" patterns of your failed colleagues. The 'TLDR' was a giveaway; a favourite keyword of those who tried to save face when losing a discussion. I don't recall your saying that before ... and we've had some *lengthy* exchanges. The imaginary notion that there is a statute of limitations on criticising DH. The usual ascribing of my motivation to chagrin at Rowling "failing [me] and Hermione". Yawn.
I've seen it all - and stamped it "FAIL!" - before, Delylah. Although maybe it was all new to you on your not-quite-the-facts finding mission last week.
Gee...he seems to be a bit overwrought. Anyone have a hanky?
And the SECOND part:
Be sure to mop up after yourself on the way out. :)
I was raised to clean up after myself, so sure, I'll do my bit.
Try and divorce yourself from the history books, Delylah, and remember how all this started; I dared to suggest that Ginny *wasn't* a (head) 'bitch', remember? You weren't impressed, but said you'd 'play along', and refuted my argument that she was a 'bully'. Your definition and argument convinced me that I'd used the wrong term ... so I conceded that point to you. All still serene on Delylah's blog ... but then you turned the conversation into being all about *me*. Which was flattering ... maybe if I'd ducked out then I could have saved you from your absorption of all of those repugnant thoughts and mannerisms of the ugly end of your side of the fandom.
Still - going back to the beginning - I'll repeat what I said earlier, and which seemed to almost do the trick until you dredged up past insults against Ginny, Rowling and the H/G sub-fandom. I had no intent of 'hurting' you in posting about Ginny. I wasn't 'trolling' your blog looking for a reaction. I'm sorry I've upset you so much you've gone to all of this trouble and research on account of my comments.
The ultimate thought experiment - knowing how things ended up, would I make the same post if I could do it all over again? No. Although I'm fascinated by how you've been affected by your 'research', no.
The rest of the mess here is yours. I'll leave the mop by the door.
and remember how all this started; I dared to suggest that Ginny *wasn't* a (head) 'bitch', remember?
No, it started because you called Ginny an aggressive little bully, and a bitch (however cutely you think you did so). I am so tired of repeating this. I don't care if you think Ginny qualifies for being HBIC or not. I never said she did or didn't. You were too interested in taking the opportunity to bash her to process anything else.
The 'TLDR' was a giveaway; a favourite keyword of those who tried to save face when losing a discussion.
The "TLDR" is from Fandom Wank. It's a favored term used to describe posts from people who are typing lengthy diatribes just to admire their words on the screen and pat themselves on the back over how clever they think they are (and it's also used to describe posts from people who are raving hysterically, which you now seem to be doing).
The need to get the 'last word', while taking great pains to show that I have no 'power' over you, no sirree!
I could say "Pot...kettle" here, but I think ""Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" is more applicable. If anyone has a compulsive need to have the last word, these last ravings of yours have proved it's you. You said you were ending the conversation, on your end...yet here you are back again, a week after this was posted. This is my journal, Brad. Of course I'm going to have the last word. That's why my journal is here, for my words - all of my words, first, last and in-between. I'll reiterate my suggestion for you to go and rant about Ginny or whomever in your own journal, but I know you won't, because you know full well that no one would pay any attention to your ravings there, which is your whole point in posting this stuff in the first place.
As for being "brainwashed," you might want to look in a mirror. I've had a position and maintained it, unswayed by any other fan's long, whining posts about the sins of Jo or Ginny or the red-headed devils known as the Weasleys. I like Harry/Ginny. I like Ron/Hermione. Always have (except for a slight lean towards Harry/Cho, but that ended with OotP, and I'd only discovered the series six months prior to reading that book.)
You, however, when we first met, admitted to not always being a H/Hr shipper, and now you're repeating the same stuff the Harmony shippers have been repeating for years. How's that Kool Aid?
In less than two days your perusal of past posts turned you into an aggressive and bitter H/G shipper. Has anyone in the history of Livejournal ever allowed herself to be prejudiced so quickly
Psst...Brad...my ship is canon. I like the H/G canon. What do I have to be bitter about? And how am I being aggressive, when this is my journal? Did I come into your journal preaching about H/G? No, you came into my journal bashing Ginny, which makes you the troll aggressor.
This isn't the first time you've annoyed me, or that I thought you were an arrogant, condescending prat. However, the moment you resorted to character-bashing (the name-calling specifically is what I'm referring to) especially in a post that didn't express anything about my opinion of Ginny, you crossed a line.
You weren't impressed, but said you'd 'play along', and refuted my argument that she was a 'bully'. Your definition and argument convinced me that I'd used the wrong term ... so I conceded that point to you.
And that's as far as I was interested in playing along. That's the only reason I said I'd play along "for now" (you left that part out), because I wanted to see you explain just under what circumstances Ginny could be considered a bully. I wasn't interested in debating whether or not Ginny was "in charge" because I never asserted an opinion either way in the first place. Question asked, question answered, end of that particular line of discussion. I didn't, and still don't, care what other "contrary opinions" you hold.
I like Ginny. You don't. Why should I be interested in reading your lengthy list of reasons you don't like her?
I'm sorry I've upset you so much you've gone to all of this trouble and research on account of my comments.
Get over yourself. You seem to think I spent hours upon hours playing 'net detective. You're still missing the point. I've been patient with you until now because, until this particular exchange, you've behaved civilly here in my journal. In resorting to character-bashing (name-calling), however, you are no long being civil and have finally shown your true colors, and a lack of respect for me, therefore I do not feel I am required to be civil or show you any respect, either.
The "rules" are now posted in my bio. Please read them. Then, please go away. I have better things to do with my time than continue to explain my position to someone who insists upon thinking this incident is about my cowering before his sooperior debating skillz rather than about his own commission of a breach in fandom etiquette.
Sigh.
I'll just paste his latest verbal parry rather than making anyone look it up in the week-old post he's just now responding to:
Oh my goodness Delylah. You've gone dark on me!!
I haven't seen such a clear case of childish petulance since ... well, that Tartanboxers incident that you like bringing up. Which is the key to all this, I think.
I spent the day swimming with my kids and had a great time ...
That's nice. But I think you should have waited a little after your swim before making your post ... you seem to have still been in 'little kid' mode when you wrote it. At least that's one (generous) explanation for the infantilism I see here.
Still, your boys and I can say that we now have one thing in common ... we've all seen you jump well and truly off the deep end. :-)
The sheer *stupidity* of what you wrote. The need to get the 'last word', while taking great pains to show that I have no 'power' over you, no sirree! Handwaving insinuations as to my own lifestyle and then childishly attacking same. Misdirection and assumptions on the one hand, attacks on the other.
Sooooo boring.
Soooo infantile. Really, had you written 'Nah nah na na nah!!' at that point it would have blended right in with the rest of the rant. This "codswallop" might have impressed your boys when you had them proofread it in the pool, but it doesn't measure up to adult standards.
The really interesting thing about all this, though, is how *quickly* you descended from the urbane to the uncivilised. From an intelligent HP fan to the affronted shipping fundamentalist. From the Delylah with whom I have conversed for 4+ years ... to a mindless clone of those poor prior opponents of mine whose history you'd been researching.
In 46 hours you went from "I'll play along for now" to my "calling Ginny names that you knew would offend me", my "sneering at [you] behind innocuous smiley faces" and your putting me on trial for my past misdemeanours against the gutter end of the H/G fandom. In less than two days your perusal of past posts turned you into an aggressive and bitter H/G shipper.
I find this *fascinating*!
How could you be brainwashed so quickly? What made you so impressionable? Did my arguments against your fanatic compatriots so enrage and empower you that you felt you had to go to DEFCON 1 in waging your war against the infidel? IN THE NAME OF GINNY WEASLEY, WHOM MADDERBRAD HAS GRIEVOUSLY INSULTED (uhm, months and months ago, and in other blogs, not mine, uhm), ATTTTTAAACCCKKK!!!!
I suspect you took up this battle largely owing to some sort of allegiance to the fangirl zombies I took on more than a year ago. You're just a little bit late coming to the party, that's all ... but you still picked the fight with me regardless. And that's what you were doing here, Delylah. Making mountains out of molehills.
Has anyone in the history of Livejournal ever allowed herself to be prejudiced so quickly ... by the fossils of fandom history?
It really is interesting. I started cottoning on to your brainwashing a few posts earlier, when you starting regurgitating all the tired old "attack Brad so we don't have to think of reasons why we defend Ginny/H/G/Jo" patterns of your failed colleagues. The 'TLDR' was a giveaway; a favourite keyword of those who tried to save face when losing a discussion. I don't recall your saying that before ... and we've had some *lengthy* exchanges. The imaginary notion that there is a statute of limitations on criticising DH. The usual ascribing of my motivation to chagrin at Rowling "failing [me] and Hermione". Yawn.
I've seen it all - and stamped it "FAIL!" - before, Delylah. Although maybe it was all new to you on your not-quite-the-facts finding mission last week.
Gee...he seems to be a bit overwrought. Anyone have a hanky?
And the SECOND part:
Be sure to mop up after yourself on the way out. :)
I was raised to clean up after myself, so sure, I'll do my bit.
Try and divorce yourself from the history books, Delylah, and remember how all this started; I dared to suggest that Ginny *wasn't* a (head) 'bitch', remember? You weren't impressed, but said you'd 'play along', and refuted my argument that she was a 'bully'. Your definition and argument convinced me that I'd used the wrong term ... so I conceded that point to you. All still serene on Delylah's blog ... but then you turned the conversation into being all about *me*. Which was flattering ... maybe if I'd ducked out then I could have saved you from your absorption of all of those repugnant thoughts and mannerisms of the ugly end of your side of the fandom.
Still - going back to the beginning - I'll repeat what I said earlier, and which seemed to almost do the trick until you dredged up past insults against Ginny, Rowling and the H/G sub-fandom. I had no intent of 'hurting' you in posting about Ginny. I wasn't 'trolling' your blog looking for a reaction. I'm sorry I've upset you so much you've gone to all of this trouble and research on account of my comments.
The ultimate thought experiment - knowing how things ended up, would I make the same post if I could do it all over again? No. Although I'm fascinated by how you've been affected by your 'research', no.
The rest of the mess here is yours. I'll leave the mop by the door.
and remember how all this started; I dared to suggest that Ginny *wasn't* a (head) 'bitch', remember?
No, it started because you called Ginny an aggressive little bully, and a bitch (however cutely you think you did so). I am so tired of repeating this. I don't care if you think Ginny qualifies for being HBIC or not. I never said she did or didn't. You were too interested in taking the opportunity to bash her to process anything else.
The 'TLDR' was a giveaway; a favourite keyword of those who tried to save face when losing a discussion.
The "TLDR" is from Fandom Wank. It's a favored term used to describe posts from people who are typing lengthy diatribes just to admire their words on the screen and pat themselves on the back over how clever they think they are (and it's also used to describe posts from people who are raving hysterically, which you now seem to be doing).
The need to get the 'last word', while taking great pains to show that I have no 'power' over you, no sirree!
I could say "Pot...kettle" here, but I think ""Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" is more applicable. If anyone has a compulsive need to have the last word, these last ravings of yours have proved it's you. You said you were ending the conversation, on your end...yet here you are back again, a week after this was posted. This is my journal, Brad. Of course I'm going to have the last word. That's why my journal is here, for my words - all of my words, first, last and in-between. I'll reiterate my suggestion for you to go and rant about Ginny or whomever in your own journal, but I know you won't, because you know full well that no one would pay any attention to your ravings there, which is your whole point in posting this stuff in the first place.
As for being "brainwashed," you might want to look in a mirror. I've had a position and maintained it, unswayed by any other fan's long, whining posts about the sins of Jo or Ginny or the red-headed devils known as the Weasleys. I like Harry/Ginny. I like Ron/Hermione. Always have (except for a slight lean towards Harry/Cho, but that ended with OotP, and I'd only discovered the series six months prior to reading that book.)
You, however, when we first met, admitted to not always being a H/Hr shipper, and now you're repeating the same stuff the Harmony shippers have been repeating for years. How's that Kool Aid?
In less than two days your perusal of past posts turned you into an aggressive and bitter H/G shipper. Has anyone in the history of Livejournal ever allowed herself to be prejudiced so quickly
Psst...Brad...my ship is canon. I like the H/G canon. What do I have to be bitter about? And how am I being aggressive, when this is my journal? Did I come into your journal preaching about H/G? No, you came into my journal bashing Ginny, which makes you the troll aggressor.
This isn't the first time you've annoyed me, or that I thought you were an arrogant, condescending prat. However, the moment you resorted to character-bashing (the name-calling specifically is what I'm referring to) especially in a post that didn't express anything about my opinion of Ginny, you crossed a line.
You weren't impressed, but said you'd 'play along', and refuted my argument that she was a 'bully'. Your definition and argument convinced me that I'd used the wrong term ... so I conceded that point to you.
And that's as far as I was interested in playing along. That's the only reason I said I'd play along "for now" (you left that part out), because I wanted to see you explain just under what circumstances Ginny could be considered a bully. I wasn't interested in debating whether or not Ginny was "in charge" because I never asserted an opinion either way in the first place. Question asked, question answered, end of that particular line of discussion. I didn't, and still don't, care what other "contrary opinions" you hold.
I like Ginny. You don't. Why should I be interested in reading your lengthy list of reasons you don't like her?
I'm sorry I've upset you so much you've gone to all of this trouble and research on account of my comments.
Get over yourself. You seem to think I spent hours upon hours playing 'net detective. You're still missing the point. I've been patient with you until now because, until this particular exchange, you've behaved civilly here in my journal. In resorting to character-bashing (name-calling), however, you are no long being civil and have finally shown your true colors, and a lack of respect for me, therefore I do not feel I am required to be civil or show you any respect, either.
The "rules" are now posted in my bio. Please read them. Then, please go away. I have better things to do with my time than continue to explain my position to someone who insists upon thinking this incident is about my cowering before his sooperior debating skillz rather than about his own commission of a breach in fandom etiquette.