Continuation of discussion

[delmarsdoll]

This post grew from a reply I left to Spooky FBI. I felt I wanted to make it a post because it expands on the discussion I started and gets a little closer to the discussion I meant to start long ago

Comments

[spookyfbi]

Even IF I was to believe that the writer didn't intend slash for K&S (and that's a big IF), there's no way in hell they didn't intend it for Omne.

Omne's face was the face of the wolf, the beast--the face of jungle and night "Now beg for yourself. I am alpha here, and you will--now--yield."

One big hand twisted his head down and forward and the other ran down the back of his neck, feeling it cord and crackle with the resistance.

"Yield," the low voice snarled. "Let it happen."

Very suddenly Kirk released every muscle, letting the power of the big hands smash his forehead down into the target his knee had missed.

I mean... Omne wants oral sex here, right? I'm not the only one who felt like this book came dangerously close to having a rape scene, am I?

[spookyfbi]

Kirk had no illusions. The giant would regain sight and speed and precision in a moment. Kirk could not beat him. And the uncanny strength, the vicious imagination, could cause the Human body pain beyond its capacity to endure.

And the soul, also. Humiliation. A sickness of soul which could be felt through the body.

At some point he would beg abjectly, and for himself.

No illusions. Tough universe. It could be done to a man, any man. He had always known that it could be done to him. He had been very lucky.

And here his luck ran out

I mean... seriously?

[delmarsdoll]

I'm with you, seriously? I wish I had the book with me so I could join in a quote discussion with you. There were several points in this book where I had to close it and go, "did I just read that?" Again, I feel like if they intended it as just a close brotherhood then they had no real connection to reality and what seperates brotherhood from lovers.

[spookyfbi]

Or how about this:

Omne put his hands on his hips, resting them on the low gunbelt. "Now, my replica. I do not know how well the Commander knew your predecessor, although Captain Kirk was legend for being well known on short acquaintance. However, Commander Spock has certainly shared ship and shore leave for many years. Hardships, injuries, dangers, gym workouts. He must know the Captain very well. Every contour. Every scar. Every injury. There is a half-healed one on your leg. You will therefore stand up and display that identity and perfection."

I mean, I don't care how many gym workouts I've shared with my bffs, I do not know their every contour, scar or injury. I'm an only child, but I assume the same would go for siblings as well.

[klangley56]

Heh-heh. It's just that Vulcan thoroughness, doncha know. :-)

This was one of the earliest pro ST novels published, and embraced by many fans for that reason alone. Many of us felt it had a very "fannish" feel to it, like a fanzine story, and enjoyed that aspect of it very much. Others objected to the "girly-fying" of Kirk and Spock in the story.

On a side note, when "Star Wars" came out, as soon as Darth Vader walked on-screen, my friend Jean and I looked at each other and said, "Black Omne." :-)

[spookyfbi]

Ah, of course! Spock was only taking the time to look over every inch of Kirk's nekkedness for the purpose of science. I can totally imagine him justifying it to himself like that too :P

I didn't really feel like they'd girlified Kirk too much. If anything I felt that they went out of their way to show him being macho, like having him object to the Romulan Commander protecting him, and his reaction to the princeling idea. I mean, I dunno, the guy owns foundation in canon, I can't see him having that big a problem with being a princeling, if it'll keep him safe. I see him having a bigger problem with not being able to fly in a starship.
But I get what you mean about it feeling like a fanfic, that book had hurt/comfort written all over it. The only thing missing was the healing cock, but I doubt it would've made it past the censors if it'd had that... Still, they had healing foam...