Post-Modern Emotion - ???deggialMay 3 2004, 23:18:54 UTC
Post-Modern Emotion : Detachment, Disengagement, and Disassociation? Or Freedom, Flexibility, and Facility?
Marx wrote extensively on the un-connectedness that the industrial revolution has had on our minds. Yes its an estrangement to some, to others, (Marx would say the exploiting class/capitalists) are completely freed because they are the faceless, the hidden kings... and they don't have to toil in the ground or at all!
"A hundred years ago, someone living in Canada would probably spend their day, growing food, taking care of animals, chopping wood for fire, making repairs on their house... all things DIRECTLY NECESSARY for survival."
I'm not certain if this is true 100 yrs ago, but certainly 200 yrs ago!! It is the lack of directness that is *fucking with us.* Nothing has any direct purpose. I think people who are suffering from extreme apathy, or depression would become RE-attached, and completely vamped through spending their day providing things for their survival. In most people it is precisely their lack of purpose and seeing the result that makes them feel ill.
On the other end of the spectrum, the neurotic, the anxious would be CALMED by the re-attachment to the true reality of unmediated direct-existence that was the normative for many many many millennia. In most people these states of emotion are a result of being pushed around bit by bit and trying to micromanage their realities which are made ultra-complex by the introduction of : taxes, insurance, seatbelt wearing, a billion things to consume, the phone bill, the electric bill, making sure you call this company on time, showing up to work at a specific time, RRSPs, arranging bank payments, a billion restrictive laws, tv commercials making you think that you need a majikbike® exerciser, being bombarded by signs of instruction every where you turn, traffic lights, waiting on hold for an hour and dealing with beuracracy to whom you are only a number, a cog in the wheel, and trying desperately to get ahead of this race. If you aren't on autopilot then you're going to go nutso with the MICROmanagement that the environment places on us, or just give up.
Type A and B personalities are a reaction to this disconnection from the direct reality of providing for our existance. And.. society has a monopoly on this lifestyle. Anyone who tries to step outside the borders faces objections by the "system" at every step of the way.
"Now, we spend our days doing stuff that is mostly completely unnecessary for survival, as our means of making money, to provide for our survival. This creates an abstracted view of what is NEEDED and what is WANTED."
EXACTLY! Which makes us GREAT consumers!!! Now you see why I was going to renounce all this shit?
I want to either have the freedom of being the upper class consumer, who can do what I feel like at any time, including growing my own food or doing something to re-connect such as enjoying or creating art or travelling.. or I would like to be free on the other end of the spectrum to re-connect by completely providing almost everything for myself. I think the trap lies in the middle-class.
Not to confuse the issue by tying class into it..
Besides my personal observations and ideas.. Just for emotional evolutions sake.. it MUST be a SEVERE shock for humans to have made the leap from hunting/gathering to the farming/agricultural lifestyle which happened around 3000 bce or so. (date may be wrong!!! but im approximating!) To now again transition to the "Industrial times" is another severe shock to our minds. I see these two events as the most significant events that played a huge role in completely revolutionizing our entire minds/emotions. Crowley refers to the Aeonic theory of mother, father, and child. Or matriarchy, patriarchy, and individuality. I really am beginning to wonder about it.. I am starting to see it proved through my "sociological imagination" of the mindsets of humanity.
I really want to know how the emotions have adjusted to it.. I wonder how you could study such a thing? Any ideas?
Re: Post-Modern Emotion - ???bramthepaleMay 3 2004, 23:29:08 UTC
It would be an interesting study!
As far as a comparison would go... I think for a good example of pre-industrial mentality in modern people, you would have to look at communes, specifically naturalist, or dare I say it, hippie mentality ones. Those are mostly people who have fought against the shock and gone to a different lifestyle because of it.
Or now that I'm thinking, how about Mormons or the Amish? I know painfully little about them, but I would think that their lifestyles would be more directly related to immediate survival needs, without the disconnectedness.
We should get some cash together, buy some land, and try a commune up here :) Just for fun, lol.
Re: Post-Modern Emotion - ???deggialMay 4 2004, 08:06:40 UTC
It would be an interesting study!
"As far as a comparison would go... I think for a good example of pre-industrial mentality in modern people, you would have to look at communes, specifically naturalist, or dare I say it, hippie mentality ones. Those are mostly people who have fought against the shock and gone to a different lifestyle because of it."
Good idea but it's hard to test the "mentality" of the dead people.. can't really take a survey now.. to fing out their emotional state.
"Or now that I'm thinking, how about Mormons or the Amish? I know painfully little about them, but I would think that their lifestyles would be more directly related to immediate survival needs, without the disconnectedness."
Thats a good idea.. hmnn. Amish not Mormons as much.. theres a few groups I could look at. I just wish I could study the mindset of a people in an area from different TIMES!!!
"We should get some cash together, buy some land, and try a commune up here :) Just for fun, lol."
heh. in theory great idea.. in practice usually sucks.. *sigh*
Marx wrote extensively on the un-connectedness that the industrial revolution has had on our minds. Yes its an estrangement to some, to others, (Marx would say the exploiting class/capitalists) are completely freed because they are the faceless, the hidden kings... and they don't have to toil in the ground or at all!
"A hundred years ago, someone living in Canada would probably spend their day, growing food, taking care of animals, chopping wood for fire, making repairs on their house... all things DIRECTLY NECESSARY for survival."
I'm not certain if this is true 100 yrs ago, but certainly 200 yrs ago!! It is the lack of directness that is *fucking with us.* Nothing has any direct purpose. I think people who are suffering from extreme apathy, or depression would become RE-attached, and completely vamped through spending their day providing things for their survival. In most people it is precisely their lack of purpose and seeing the result that makes them feel ill.
On the other end of the spectrum, the neurotic, the anxious would be CALMED by the re-attachment to the true reality of unmediated direct-existence that was the normative for many many many millennia. In most people these states of emotion are a result of being pushed around bit by bit and trying to micromanage their realities which are made ultra-complex by the introduction of : taxes, insurance, seatbelt wearing, a billion things to consume, the phone bill, the electric bill, making sure you call this company on time, showing up to work at a specific time, RRSPs, arranging bank payments, a billion restrictive laws, tv commercials making you think that you need a majikbike® exerciser, being bombarded by signs of instruction every where you turn, traffic lights, waiting on hold for an hour and dealing with beuracracy to whom you are only a number, a cog in the wheel, and trying desperately to get ahead of this race. If you aren't on autopilot then you're going to go nutso with the MICROmanagement that the environment places on us, or just give up.
Type A and B personalities are a reaction to this disconnection from the direct reality of providing for our existance. And.. society has a monopoly on this lifestyle. Anyone who tries to step outside the borders faces objections by the "system" at every step of the way.
"Now, we spend our days doing stuff that is mostly completely unnecessary for survival, as our means of making money, to provide for our survival. This creates an abstracted view of what is NEEDED and what is WANTED."
EXACTLY! Which makes us GREAT consumers!!! Now you see why I was going to renounce all this shit?
I want to either have the freedom of being the upper class consumer, who can do what I feel like at any time, including growing my own food or doing something to re-connect such as enjoying or creating art or travelling.. or I would like to be free on the other end of the spectrum to re-connect by completely providing almost everything for myself. I think the trap lies in the middle-class.
Not to confuse the issue by tying class into it..
Besides my personal observations and ideas.. Just for emotional evolutions sake.. it MUST be a SEVERE shock for humans to have made the leap from hunting/gathering to the farming/agricultural lifestyle which happened around 3000 bce or so. (date may be wrong!!! but im approximating!) To now again transition to the "Industrial times" is another severe shock to our minds. I see these two events as the most significant events that played a huge role in completely revolutionizing our entire minds/emotions. Crowley refers to the Aeonic theory of mother, father, and child. Or matriarchy, patriarchy, and individuality. I really am beginning to wonder about it.. I am starting to see it proved through my "sociological imagination" of the mindsets of humanity.
I really want to know how the emotions have adjusted to it.. I wonder how you could study such a thing? Any ideas?
D.
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As far as a comparison would go... I think for a good example of pre-industrial mentality in modern people, you would have to look at communes, specifically naturalist, or dare I say it, hippie mentality ones. Those are mostly people who have fought against the shock and gone to a different lifestyle because of it.
Or now that I'm thinking, how about Mormons or the Amish? I know painfully little about them, but I would think that their lifestyles would be more directly related to immediate survival needs, without the disconnectedness.
We should get some cash together, buy some land, and try a commune up here :) Just for fun, lol.
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"As far as a comparison would go... I think for a good example of
pre-industrial mentality in modern people, you would have to look at
communes, specifically naturalist, or dare I say it, hippie mentality
ones. Those are mostly people who have fought against the shock and gone to a different lifestyle because of it."
Good idea but it's hard to test the "mentality" of the dead people.. can't really take a survey now.. to fing out their emotional state.
"Or now that I'm thinking, how about Mormons or the Amish? I know
painfully little about them, but I would think that their lifestyles
would be more directly related to immediate survival needs, without the disconnectedness."
Thats a good idea.. hmnn. Amish not Mormons as much.. theres a few groups I could look at. I just wish I could study the mindset of a people in an area from different TIMES!!!
"We should get some cash together, buy some land, and try a commune up
here :) Just for fun, lol."
heh. in theory great idea.. in practice usually sucks.. *sigh*
D.
Reply
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