Since he didn't blame the mailer daemon...

Feb 19, 2022 21:53

Prisoner of Azkaban does a good impression of being one of the best-constructed books of the series, as long as you are willing to smile and nod at time-travel shenanigans (which you pretty much have to in any book where time travel appears). But these gaping chasms keep opening up every time I poke at it. For example, Sirius and the mail ( Read more... )

poa, sirius black, plot holes, author: sunnyskywalker

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sunnyskywalker March 7 2022, 03:55:30 UTC
You really have to wonder if revealing either the Animagus secret or their knowledge of the tunnels would be the critical missing piece that implicates the Marauders in crimes committed off campus. Like, there were eyewitnesses who saw one or more of them do Something Dreadful, but it was supposedly impossible for them to have left school grounds, so obviously it was really Polyjuiced imposters trying to frame innocent students. Or someone spotted a large black dog and a stag driving a werewolf away just before it attacked a villager (they may or may not have spotted the rat scurrying alongside or clinging to one of the larger animals), but this meant nothing at the time because no one suspected the boys were Animagi. (Maybe Uncle Bilius really did see Padfoot a week before he died...) If they reveal either fact now, however, they can reasonably fear that it's Ongoing Criminal Conspiracy time: straight to Azkaban with you!

As it happens, Dumbledore would rather cover it up and force Remus into spying on the werewolves, but they probably couldn't count on that. Not after seeing how he didn't even try to investigate Sirius, let alone defend him.

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jana_ch March 7 2022, 22:54:28 UTC
This makes sense. By releasing Remus to roam the countryside in a populated area, the Marauders were committing a serious crime. Repeatedly. How many felony counts do you suppose that would be? And I'm not at all sure the wizarding world has such a thing as juvenile court with lower punishments. Being an unregistered animagus is also a serious crime, as we know from Hermione blackmailing Rita with the threat to Azkaban.

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Juvenile Court? terri_testing March 8 2022, 21:10:11 UTC
Actually, we don't even have to posit that (though we do know it was unusual for Harry to be tried before the Wizengamot.)

Because it's implied that the crimes continued through 7th year, when they were adults.

Moreover, Sirius's crime of being an unregistered Animagus continues to the present day....

(I did read a fanfic in which Sirius survived and got his trial, post-war. He was sentenced to time served plus an additional decade in Azkaban.)

Something else that may be relevant: at the time James and Sirius were committing crimes in Hogsmeade, they may well have expected that if they were caught, they'd be let off. (So long as they stopped short of murder, which they were fully confident they could do.)

The Potter heir and a Black, even if disinherited, after all!

(And assumed their families could/would protect the other two as well.)

Sirius might well have gone so quietly with the Aurors because he assumed he'd be kept overnight and released, no matter what they thought he'd done. It might have been a serious shock to him when Walburga either wouldn't or couldn't get him sprung.

So he might, once out of Azkaban and pursuing Peter, have realized that if his name didn't save him THEN, it wouldn't save him if his true crimes were now uncovered.

In which case his ONLY chance of safety is to kill Peter, return him to human form, and fudge the tale of how Peter managed to diddle those Muggle witnesses into believing he'd been killed.

Any story that includes Peter's Animagus ability is going to be trouble for him.

Which, huh. Also explains why he never holds it against Dumbles in books 4 & 5 that Dumbles doesn't ever clear his name. He knows his name is unclearable, except so far as betraying James is concerned.

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Re: Juvenile Court? sunnyskywalker March 9 2022, 03:13:53 UTC
Sirius's expectations at his arrest: ouch. Yes, with Regulus dead, he might well have thought that Mum and Grandfather Arcturus would protect him, no matter how grudgingly, because he was the only heir left. Nasty shock indeed.

If he and Crookshanks had managed to kill Peter without witnesses, he might even have gotten away with a fudge that included Peter's ability without mentioning his own, if shrugging and saying Peter must have Apparated away really quickly at just the right second wouldn't fly. "I'm sure I saw a rat scurrying around at a meeting Peter wasn't at, and next thing we knew Voldemort had suddenly figured out how to undermine the Bones family's security..."

But then he and Remus couldn't bear to have Harry think badly of them and spilled--well, not the whole story, but more of it than they might have planned.

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Re: Juvenile Court? nx74defiant March 9 2022, 20:25:27 UTC
(though we do know it was unusual for Harry to be tried before the Wizengamot.)

We don't have any information on how Juveniles are treated differently. Harry is able to agree to the contract in GoF.
His "Guardians" the Dursleys were not there when Harry was brought before the Wizengamot. (They would have hurt Harry rather than help, so he wouldn't want them.) Was that unusual? Do only Wizard parent/guardians count?

Is there any kind of Juvenile Hall?

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Re: Juvenile Court? sunnyskywalker March 9 2022, 21:57:40 UTC
I doubt it they have juvenile hall. Would they even have enough convicted juveniles to warrant one, given how small their society is? Plus, at the time they formally split from the Muggle world, you could still execute kids even younger than Harry. Starting there with a small population and relatively few convicted juveniles to spur changes is another reason they might not have a separate legal track for juvenile offenders. Maybe it's up to the officials judging any individual case whether to show leniency in sentencing because of the person's age. Maybe some form of house arrest or close supervision? Do they have magical ankle bracelets to track you? (Maybe they can use your wand if they don't break it like they did for Hagrid. The Trace would be active.)

The Triwizard Tournament contract might be a special case. Limiting entrants to legal adults seems to be a modern innovation. Harry might be able to make that contract (or have it made on his behalf, as it happens), but maybe he can't, say, buy a house or incorporate a business, because those just regular legal things rather than ancient magical contracts.

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