What was known about Quirrell's death and Tom's status in PS?

[terri_testing]

Lynn_waterfall, in an exchange we were having below in the spork of GoF 36, assumed that Fudge thought that Harry had said, back at the end of book one, that Voldemort was dead but somehow not completely dead

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[borg_princess]

I have no idea, sorry, I never know what anyone else knows or should know but are kept from knowing for plot convenience.

But it does make me eyeroll at Harry's tantrum with Seamus (?) and the general contempt for everyone who denies Voldy's back- if the boy wonder hadn't interfered where he wasn't needed, Dumbles would've had his proof that Voldy was still around in some form as early as PS/SS and they would've had to take his claims and Harry's seriously later on.

did Albus show everyone a corpse with Lord V on the back or his head?

I thought Quirrel crumbled to bitty bits? Or is that movie canon rattling about in my brain? Or maybe I'm mixing it up with Bellatrix. IDEK.

Poor Quirrel. Everyone remembers him as a villain, but we don't know for sure he ever wanted to serve Voldy.

[sunnyskywalker]

He did say he had "ridiculous ideas about good and evil" before he ran into Voldemort, which suggests that he wouldn't have wanted to help Voldemort. Voldemort just says he was overconfident and easy to control, right? And surely Voldemort would have noticed if Quirrell was a hate-filled person ambitious to join Team Evil, and gloated to Harry about how many people were still Voldemort supporters even after all these years. So yes, poor Quirrell

[the_bitter_word]

Submitted for your consideration ... (cue Twilight Zone music)

Pottermore spoilers on Quirrell and this: sounds of a type with Severus, eager to prove himself = EVIL! Also, his birthday is coming up.

Pottermore spoilers on Flamel: not much here.

Canon?

[oryx_leucoryx]

Yay! Quirrell was a Ravenclaw as I suspected for a while. She doesn't make them all Slytherins. She gives his birthday but not his age. Did Quirrell know about Severus and James' mutual hatred from his own experience or was this something Voldie told him?

[the_bitter_word]

I guessed that he was a Ravenclaw, too. I just wrote a whole story with him as a character before I saw this. I'll have to incorporate pressed flowers into it (luckily, I have just the place).

For what it's worth, I wrote him as older and not really aware of others, more of an airy intellectual. (Also, wasn't Severus supposed to be really young for a teacher?)

The entry says Quirrell was "turned into a temporary Horcrux by Voldemort." How does this even work, and how many did he create all told?

[condwiramurs]

Severus was born in 1960, so he would have been 21 when he began teaching in 1981. Far younger than most of the other staff.

I can't recall if this is fanon or suggested by the books, but my understanding was that Quirrell was younger than Severus by a few years, but was at Hogwarts by the time of SWM.

[oryx_leucoryx]

What we know about his age is that he appears young to Harry, whereas 30 year-old Severus doesn't. But one can argue that Severus aged faster than he should have due to his experiences.

[oneandthetruth]

I'll have to incorporate pressed flowers into it (luckily, I have just the place).

Hmmm. He works all day and likes to press wildflowers. I wonder if he also skips, jumps, and likes to dress in women's clothing and hang around in bars? :D

[sunnyskywalker]

He's a DADA professor and he's okay.

[sunnyskywalker]

Go, Ravenclaw! Now all we need is a confirmed Hufflepuff who went bad (voluntarily or not). Zacharias doesn't count.

Quirrell trying to find Voldemort to defeat him once and for all to prove himself I could probably see, but wanting to learn magic from him? When he supposedly still believed in evil and so probably thought Voldemort was an evil person doing evil magic? There's better ways to learn advanced magic to impress people, so I'm not sold on that (unless someone can come up with a convincing explanation). From what he says it sounds like he was NOT looking for power with no regard for morality (at least, not in the sense of learning special Voldemortian dark magic - more like "fame and influence" instead) when he went to Albania, since he had to "learn" Voldemort's viewpoint.

Very unsatisfactory Flamel entry. If you're going to fill in some details for readers, why not at least hint at important things like "what was Flamel doing for the whole 20th century?"

[for_diddled]

"Quirrell trying to find Voldemort to defeat him once and for all to prove himself I could probably see, but wanting to learn magic from him? When he supposedly still believed in evil and so probably thought Voldemort was an evil person doing evil magic? There's better ways to learn advanced magic to impress people, so I'm not sold on that (unless someone can come up with a convincing explanation)."Going to look for Voldemort to learn magic would indeed be an odd thing for someone who believes in good and evil to do (sort of like looking for Hitler to get tips on running a country, if such a thing were still possible) -- *if* he knew that it were Voldemort. But if whatever rumours he'd heard just mentioned a strange and powerful spirit in the forest, without indicating its real identity, then it's possible that an intellectually curious person eager to become more powerful might go and seek it out

[sharaz_jek]

Albania's tourist board has more influence than Albus and Voldemort combined. They were puppeteering Grindelwald in a grand plan to make Albania the cultural centre of the magical world.

[condwiramurs]

ROFL! You win an internet.

[condwiramurs]

swythyv here on LJ did an excellent presentation on this at Aeternitas in April. I only caught the end, but apparently some sites in Albania have long, long associations with powerful magic and such. I'd ask her if you really want good material on this.

[the_bitter_word]

Re Hufflepuff: Where was Stan Shunpike sorted

[oneandthetruth]

At least Rowling's consistent about vulnerable young men directing their ambition into being "important" and mistakenly hitching their stars to the biggest bully of them all -- it seems to be a thing for her.

I know. It's so sad how James, Sirius, and Remus turned out.

What do you mean that's not what you meant? ; )