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Mar 06, 2008 12:34

Szayel vs. Sora vs. Orihime vs. Ichigo vs. Aizen: The Moon must Shine before The Sun

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szayel aporro, nnoitora jilga, inoue orihime, aizen sousuke, bleach

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cruelruin March 31 2008, 06:52:29 UTC
I don't know if you're joking around with this whole thing or not, and of course I was kidding around before. But I'll tell you what I seriously think of this entry of yours, since your response seemed serious, alright?

First off, I'm an astrologer, I believe in astrology and have studied it for several years. None of the astrological logic you've used makes sense in the context of Bleach, because Kubo Tite is not an astrologer. Any astrological symbolism or effects you see in Bleach are therefore either coincidence or synchronicity, and nothing to do with the intent of the author. Therefore, using them to define what will happen in Bleach makes no sense.

What's more, your image depicting Aizen as translating phonetically to "I SEND" doesn't make sense in that Bleach is in Japanese, and aimed at a Japanese audience. There is therefore little point in adding English phonetic symbolism such as the "I" in "ai" in a Japanese name, since such symbolism would fly over the heads of almost anyone watching Bleach in it's intended bishounen context. The rest of the characters in the image are added and assigned to East and West with little reasoning. Aporro is the only one that in terms of name sort of fits the direction of South, although his name is "Aporro" in Japanese, and only sounds like "Apollo", which once again is English phonetic similarity only.

There are also mythical confusions in your entry. Yin is not inherently evil, and yang is not inherently positive. They represent the feminine and the masculine, respectively, but femininity and masculinity both carry the equal potential for evil. Furthermore, Szayel Aporro Grantz and Kurosaki Ichigo are hardly anything like twins, in fact they haven't even seen each other in manga or anime, yet you compare them to Castor and Pollux. There can be no logical justification for such a comparison.

The numerological representations you use for each Bleach character, furthermore, are unexplained. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but for now, the image depicting the lines between characters and their assigned numbers looks random at best.

The grammar and spelling in this entire entry is so confused that most of your points barely make it across to the reader, even on their tenth reading.

Finally, normally in real life, when you are stabbed through the heart, you are dead, from the disruption of your blood circulation and of course the lost blood itself. Szayel Aporro Grantz suffered this fate, and should therefore be dead, or essentially dead. The latter is particularly likely, limited as he is by Mayuri's drug to not even being able to control of body thanks to his warped sense of time. Knowing Mayuri, the drug has no cure unless Mayuri himself has it on hand and supplies it. I'm not saying Aporro is dead for sure, I'm just saying it damned well seems like it, most of all because in the amount of time that has passed in the chapters since his heart wound, he should have bled to death. We'll see, though.

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deathlike March 31 2008, 08:37:20 UTC
I could careless if you are an astrologer; obviously, not an astrologist from my understanding point and not embrace other cultures who share the same beliefs of cosmology of pseudo-science.

Kubo Tite is from Japan; Japan is based on Shinto Buddhism and Buddhism (Zen) and Shigon True Words, a knowledge that was taken back to Japan a long time ago, which Japan made it their own during the Silk Road Trade; elder legend such Journey to the West (Saiyuki) that has been around for 15,000 decades that it is older than both you and I frankly. Confucianism/Taoist Philosophy has been around for a long time in China... Where other cultures such as Aztec, Greek and Egypt made it their own during the Silk Road Trade where Journey to the West was later written, which it was later adored and embraced by Japan as a whole.

Sorry that you don't understand and claim that you do; perhaps you should read the name list I had written out long before you should have commented on this. The Monkey will always be playing with words such as I SEND, I ZAN, I SAN and I ZEN. Welcome to Japan-China; where creators, marketers and all merchandise are all given WORD PLAY. Kids make up words when they are young and string together even if it doesn't make sense. I don't suppose it is write to scowl at children who just begun to understand their native tongue and language that they are taught.

Numerology and Tarot Cards plays in the hands of Astrology. I guess you never had your fortune read before or know someone who has tarot cards who can read them for you? Do some research and read more about your own astrological signs. I frankly wrote it for myself and those who wish to understand can read by choice. No one asked you to read in the first place my dear, then why did you read and comment on this anyway?

Lastly... Please refrain from character bashing, it's not different from being a school yard bully, if you have any clue from what you are reading from the Core Mythology of Shinto Buddhism. I could careless what you think of Szayel Aporro is dying from the hands of Mayuri that you have stated, yet you just claim that Szayel Aporro isn't dead for sure? Everyone was sliced in half, while Szayel was stabbed... Obviously someone thought it be funny perhaps to fake his death. An immortal will always be an immortal; an immortal cannot die again when already dead. Have not seen Super Natural? Come back to me when you have a clear understanding of science and word play with those hard and soft broiled eggs.

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cruelruin April 2 2008, 00:37:30 UTC
The point I was making was that being an astrologer I'm not just some random commenting without some experience and knowledge to back up his mythical knowledge. And I'm telling you, your attempt at using astrology and other esoteric ideas and word play, Western or Eastern, to understand Bleach doesn't make any sense. I was actually trying to help, and never meant to insult you. *raises metaphorical white flag of peace and waves emphatically*

All of this stuff about Shinto Buddhism is an unnecessary history lesson. I know about the religions that form the foundation of Japan, and basically everything you said in that paragraph. The relevance of that paragraph to this remains to be seen. In other words, there is none.

Is Kubo Tite making word play with Aizen's name? You're just saying it's a common thing with Japanese artists, but that doesn't show that specifically Tite does it. From a debater's point of view that's not a strong argument.

You're assuming that I have no knowledge of numerology and the Tarot. Incorrect, I have studied these for as long as I have astrology - seven years, so far. They are indeed inextricably interlinked arts.

You ask me to research my astrological signs, as if I do not know what they are. I'm afraid that's not the truth. Do you want my entire natal birth chart and my many-page analysis of it, including my interpretation of the houses, signs, the Grand Trine in the Water signs and the afflicted Mars? I can give it if you want, if that'll prove that I have the skill to know what you're talking about. Because that's a fact, I do have those skills. Anyway, I know you're not after real evidence that I'm not just some random, you "don't care" as you go on to say later. No matter.

I can say the same regarding the Tarot and numerology. I can read Tarot without a stupid book, and I can interpret a person's numerology with a glance. I can also use Chinese astrology if you call on me to do so. I understand many arts and sciences within the occult to varying levels.

In answer to your question, I read your entry because I was linked to it from Capslock Bleach and wished to comment, to help you consolidate your points of view by giving constructive feedback, making a stronger and clearer argument in what you're trying to say.

I did refrain from character bashing. I didn't make a single personal comment in my post, all of my criticisms were directed entirely at your piece and not at you. I didn't call you names, I didn't bash on you. I wanted to HELP. If I wanted to hurt you, I'd be calling you names, which I emphatically did not do and made every attempt to avoid.

The core mythology of Shinto Buddhism might not at all be relevant. Do we even know what Kubo Tite's religion is? Has he ever talked about it? No, we don't. Today, in the modern era, Japan is becoming increasingly secular, and Tite himself could be secular. Do not assume that because Shinto is historically dominant in Japanese culture it dominates Bleach to the same extent, that is a fallacy in logical terms.

While Szayel is "immortal" in the sense that he can regenerate after death, it's a pointless kind of immortality. He is stuck, unable to move because his perception of time is so fast that moving a finger an inch to the left is like taking a thousand years, straining with consistent effort. He's stuck in a living Hell, which is what I meant by "essentially dead". My apologies for not making what I meant by that clear a little sooner, it seems to have left you with the idea that I mean he's dead. At any rate, "immortal" is probably not a good term for what he is, but rather "capable of rebirth after death" properly describes what he does. When I said he is "either dead", I implied "dead before rebirth".

Finally, I see no reference to science in any of your posts. Most of what you speak of here regards culture, religion and the occult, so I fail to see the relevance in how much scientific knowledge I have.

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