i'm happy; hope you're happy, too.
I didn't think I'd get to this post until like Wednesday, but whatever, HERE IT IS. In case you don't follow me on Tumblr and are therefore blissfully unaware, I have, um, EXPLODED WITH EXCITEMENT FOR ASHES TO ASHES. It's - reached basically epic levels. I... am... more excited for this to return than I am for Bones? (Whatever, Bones, suck it up
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Pause! Um, how in the world does he know all of this will go down? If he wanted to get Alex alone, surely there are more foolproof plans than this? This makes more sense then this distraught man wildly shooting a little girl and Alex imagining the rest/or some as yet unknown thing happens to her as a result?
Some of my things for the first 10 minutes: Why introduce a random gunshot for no reason? Why is the entire scene shot the way it is? Why does he run down, fire his gun, and then Molly's just...there after some pretty interesting filming. Why do the creators harp on the fact that the first 10 minutes are key if they're so straightforward? How does he disappear down there? There's nowhere to go (at all). How did no one see him (manhunt, many cops) on the way to Alex's car which was right out on the street? This plan, it's quite crazy.
It's unclear who Layton calls, but does not Alex say/think that he was calling Evan/bribing Evan at the end of 2x08? We can, of course, doubt this, since she doesn't know for sure.
Some of the theories/supertheories, etc. also take in your mythology model to account for the world and Gene. Definitely there's a mythos going on, but that will not be attributed to any one specific thing/myth/religion (clearly). I feel like, the notion that the 70s/80s are a spiritual (limbo, or purgatory, or underworld-eque) place/Gene is a spiritual figure/guide for Sam and Alex, are always a rather clear and obvs. thing, no? I think everyone gets that notion. If we're going with a Hades comparison...surely he's more the guy on the boat, not Hades, no? Since they aren't dead? I'm just trying to make sure I understand the Hades model you're going with. To me they are in a transition state between life and death (they can't go back and forth from being dead to the real world/present and back again), not an actual state of deadness. Clearly Gene is involved in Sam's "death" in 1980 as that's his role in the world, and Sam is now dead dead in the real world? This is starting to make less sense to me the more I type.
Gene seems to be part and parcel of the place. He is the place. I'm not sure I would say that he is also stuck there? But I'm not sold on how the world is populated in any one particular way, either, I suppose!
Plus, if Alex's 1982 coma isn't Objective Reality, it means that the first scene of 2x01 also isn't Objective Reality. Except that I do believe it's Objective Reality, so.
They are definitely bookends, though...It's part of the same scene, people, and places, Summers, the nurses...How can one be explained as objective reality and one not?
One other thing I have is that, Alex is quite driven by saving people, people who can't be saved. And there are just so many moments with and about Molly, and Molly as her driving force, that I do see as her daughter being dead. And being the first person we see Alex unable to save/do anything to help in a crisis moment (and that's rather poignant since that is her job). It'd be a really powerful ending, and it would work for me as it's such a giant motivator for Alex, getting back to her daughter, that to figure out what actually happened would just be great television. It makes sense to me, but if it doesn't happen, as long as they end the thing sensically and in a way that's intrinsic and good for Alex and the show itself, I'll be pleased as punch.
ETA: one more thing, while I want the two shows to tie together brilliantly, they start differently as Alex KNEW about the world already from Sam, she had it all explained, whereas it was a different entrance for Sam. I think that surely is significant for Alex, I'd hope?
Alls I know for sure is that they said the ending was depressing. I'm prepared to be destroyed, dude, no matter what they do. As long as it's good!
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They are definitely bookends, though...It's part of the same scene, people, and places, Summers, the nurses...How can one be explained as objective reality and one not?
It's expectation. Think about it: Alex resists the temptation of Operation Rose, so rather than waking up at home (like Martin Summers promises her if she helps him), she wakes up in the false reality of a coma while still stuck in 1982. Right? Ostensibly speaking, Martin's actual body exists At Home, not in the false reality of the coma. All I'm saying is that the evidence for Martin Summers = dude in the hospital IN 2X08 is incredibly strong... but the evidence for him being the guy in 2x01? You base that argument solely on the fact that it's the same nurses, and the same appearing hospital. Like, it's a good and plausible argument - and one that I would be totally sold on after the fact - but it isn't solid. There is simply too much ASSUMED connection between the two scenes. To me.
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*reread* Okay, now I feel a little crazy.
There will be more reply tomorrow, je promis.
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And re: the above comment, I LOVE YOU SHOW, and etc. I feel like all this that you're saying is assumption? I'm not really getting any connections of solid proofness right now.
It's odd, though, because...I'm on board the shows being connected, and the world being a place and Gene being a larger-than-life figure akin to your thoughts on him, I just don't see how dead Molly is dead negates anything. Really, really don't. It's not THE explanation for the world and for Gene, which I think is the issue at hand, and something that I don't know how they'll explain until they explain it. I guess I also have problems with applying mythology as a "this is my theory" because that's not how it's going to be explained. Like, I've seen nothing that would make me think that Matthew and Ashley are going off a classical mythology template, but I can see how it can be applied in a fun way? (there's Christian imagery, which I think is more their speed, but I also don't think they'll be literal/specific about it, and I don't think any of us want them to AT ALL).
I hate Martin Summers. This is not a commentary on theories, I just really hated that guy and season 2 could have been so much better. Still love the show, just, really hate that guy.
We can say the same things, perhaps re: we're both ASSUMING things, I don't think things are solid for 2x01 being real, since the whole season was moving in a trajectory to get Alex to wake up there, and the same conversations continue (that Alex would not even be privy to in the first place if it's real and that's not even her room where she could osmose all that information via the comatose state she'd be in...but, were it all part of something more elaborate, that makes more sense to me). And you're saying it's possibly Sam in 2x01 (who's already well dead at that point...suicide stamp...dead and buried) because there's an iPod in the room? How can he be a coma patient at that point in objective reality when he's clearly been deceased for some stretch of time. And then why is he suddenly dying? What does that add to the story of s2? Alex = writing a book about a man who killed himself, so. I don't think the connections between the two scenes are all that ASSUMED so much as they are just REALLY CONNECTED BY MUTUALLY THE SAME PLOT THREADS AND PEOPLE AND CONVERSATIONS. I'm really not at all seeing the proof that 2x01 is the actual present. Also, HA that they mention Molly in the news report and turn it off in the middle of the sentence. I also enjoy the notion of Summers coming from a deeper realm of Alex's subconscious that actually winds up driving her deeper into her crazy, and not a real dude also living out some scenario akin to Sam and Alex because they are special and he is bullocks. Also, I fucking hate that guy.
Simply, I think that S2's plot was a narrative leading us (and Alex) to think one thing was happening, and then, OH, THERE IS A TWIST ENDING, and none of it was real/objective reality.
IDK, we don't need to go on too much about it all. I do feel like we aren't thinking different things in that IA that the world and Gene and what they are are WHAT'S THE WHAT and what everyone wants to know. I just see so much evidence all over both seasons for dead Molly being a point in Alex's journey that really doesn't negate anything about the world, and I don't see a lot of literal filmic evidence for apply Greek mythology as The Explanation (I see it as a template, not something that's actually going to be portrayed in a detailed way, which I'm assuming is also what you're thinking but I'm not sure?).
I don't know if I've explained it before, but when I saw 1x01 for the first time, I thought the first 10 minutes were shit. Nothing about them made logical sense to me, re: the staging and turn of events. The only way I think that the scene works is if there's a lot more to it. And I don't think that Matt and Ashley would say things about it being so important if it was just what it was, that's all. I like things to be deeper than the obvious, and I think they have it in them to do that. :)
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