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captainpsyko February 3 2006, 21:17:36 UTC
but all terrorists are Muslims,
I know a number of Irish, Russian, Israeli, American, Latin American, and Asian individuals with religions ranging from catholicism to Judaism to atheism, who would beg to differ with that statement.

Terrorism is a TACTIC. Not an Ideology. It has been embraced by many radical muslims, certianly, but lets not forget Tim McVeigh, the IRA, the Irgun in Israel, the Shining Path, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

and the majority of Muslims (and Leftists) sympathize with terrorists

And again, how the fuck do you pretend to know this?

Trust me, the majority of leftists CERTAINLY don't sympathize with terrorists, though we may sympathize with the same people who terrorists may claim to be fighting on behalf of (i.e. just because the establishment of Israel was the right thing to do does not mean that Irgun deserves any sympathy for their actions specifically). And I think the same is likely true of muslims. Unless of course, you'd like to prove otherwise.

You are smarter than this Butter. Don't be a reactionary dipshit.

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son_of_hob February 3 2006, 21:28:10 UTC
You are smarter than this Butter. Don't be a reactionary dipshit.

Thats just a psychological tool that insults through compliment. Basically what is implied by you saying that Butter is smarter than this, is that how you think is the smart way to think and that if he doesn't think exactly how you think, then maybe he isn't smarter than "this." Maybe you don't realize this is what is implied, but Keith, you are smarter than that.

Of course all terrorists are not Muslims, gotta remember the eco-terrorists.

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captainpsyko February 3 2006, 21:32:46 UTC
It's one thing to think differently.

it's another one to spew blind hatred.

Butter is smarter than blind hatred and I know that.

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dawrestla February 4 2006, 07:28:07 UTC
In all due fairness to Keith, I've used the whole "you're better/smarter than at" argument on him.

I've never once meant it as an insult, and I know he didn't either.

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dawrestla February 4 2006, 07:28:28 UTC
*than that

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dawrestla February 4 2006, 07:26:00 UTC
The point about Islam and terrorism is that the religion itself advocates violence on those who do not adhere to it...in it's holy book (Koran) and in the hadith (the prophet). And don't give me a bunch of relativism crap about Judaism and Christianity because a) there are few passages that specifically condone violence on "unbelievers" in the Bible and b) Christians and Jews who did such things weren't very Christian or Jewish. Muslim terrorists, on the other hand, are good Muslims.

You know, we in the West always try and say how terrorists have hijacked a noble religion. I don't agree with that, I think Islam is a violent religion, period. Every time a Muslim terrorist commits an act, he specifically says that it's the Koran says it's his duty. Just look at the killer of Theo Van Gogh (sp), when he was sentenced, he specifically said that if he could, he would kill him again, because Theo Van Gogh was an unbeliever, and it was his duty as a Muslim to kill unbelievers. That's not to say that peaceful Muslims (like the Sufi) aren't noble people, but Islam as a whole is a violent religion by nature.

"You are smarter than this Butter. Don't be a reactionary dipshit"

Come on, buddy, you know I use my LJ for knee-jerk reactions :)

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dawrestla February 4 2006, 07:37:43 UTC
Oh, and what I meant by Leftists sympathizing with terrorists wasn't that Leftists agree with blowing up innocent people (though I'm sure there are a few psychos that do), but that Leftists tend to want to get to the "root" of the "problem", and have "dialogue" and "understanding". "They're just disaffected poor youths who need jobs!". Though, in reality most are well off middle class people. Bin Laden is a millionaire.

Someone on the right will usually just label them as evil and recognize the need to destroy them. I take the this position, but that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone here.

Oh, and let the record show that guerilla tactics against an army are not terrorism, no matter what any of my ideological friends on the right may think. But ramming an ice cream truck into a group of children is. I personally think the Pentagon was a perfectly valid target on 9-11 from a military standpoint, the WTC was absolutely not, however. Then again, someone can argue that since the terrorists weren't part of a standing army, even the Pentagon was an act of terrorism, but now I'm getting way off course.

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