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dawn_felagund

I Should Be Writing....

Oct 01, 2005 12:05

But as you can see, I am not.

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enismirdal October 1 2005, 17:04:33 UTC

The argument I've been given goes back to the stories in BOLT1 - in which every Elf waking at Cuivienen had their spouse beside them. Finwë and Míriel are said to have fallen in love when in Valinor, which sort of suggests they met later on in the history of Arda, so couldn't have been Unbegotten. Plus, Míriel's name "Serinde" is given as a mother-name in PoME.

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The 'Awakening' story has 144 Quendi as 'Unbegotten' (those who 'Awoke', and were not 'Born'). Now these 144 were 72 pairs. Each Quendi awoke next to his or her 'destined spouse' (see WotJ, 'Of Quendi and Eldar'). Elwe had to wife Melian, who he met later in Beleriand. Melian was a Maia did not Awake at Cuivienen. Hence Elwe did not Awake at Cuivienen. Elwe is attested to as having (at least) 2 siblings (Olwe and Elmo). Elwe, Olwe and Elmo being brothers need parents. Hence Elwe was born. Miriel Serinde was the wife of Finwe. Serinde is attested to as a 'mother-name' (see PoME, 'Shibboleth of Feanor'). A 'mother-name' is given to an Elda by their mother (op ( ... )

kaikias October 1 2005, 17:06:19 UTC

I bow to your superior HoME knowledge. That is some right interesting information about Miriel.

enismirdal October 1 2005, 17:09:54 UTC

LOL It was all research from the guys on rec.arts.tolkien - they really do their stuff. *always impressed* I just Googled and copy-pasted, I'm afraid!

kaikias October 1 2005, 17:13:39 UTC

OK, I bow to their superior HoME knowledge and your superior research skills. *grin*

dawn_felagund October 1 2005, 21:13:56 UTC

Sweet! Thanks so much! :D

I generally regard LotR and The Hobbit as absolute canon. Silmarillion is next, and then the material from the HoMe books and other supplemental works. From those I generally take things I like and leave the rest. (Like the spouse of Maglor! But then I leave the death of Ambarussa at Losgar.... :( )

I admit to being an awful canatic in my stories. (I prefer "liberal canon," though, it sounds nicer ;D) This is just something about which I have always been intensely curious.

Thank you again! What wonderful research :)

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