God Damn You Charlatans

Apr 02, 2007 19:08

Social Identity, it’s a funny word. When ignoring one self in social situations your social identity becomes that of “low self-esteem” and you’re supposed to be pitied. If you’re confident then someone will find you to be an asshole because you won’t agree with everything they say. If you agree with everything people think you’re shallow and care ( Read more... )

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meus_spiritus April 3 2007, 03:38:19 UTC
I dislike it when you use foul language. And this is my own perception of what negative and violent language is. I asked you not to say those things around me because it upsets me. Now if you were to talk about me as a person and genuinely put me down, and genuinely mean to hurt my feelings.. then I would be offended.

What you say from day to day gives me an impression of your character. If you say you don't care if you offend or hurt others.. what's that going to make me think? Is that going to make me want to hang around you? No.. If you say you're a good person.. what you say and how you act shows others that you are not. You contradict yourself and it's frustrating.. because I know you can be a good person. You just turn into a complete monster around big groups of people. You're not constant, at any time.. I can never know how you're going to react to something because you could be acting or actually sincere. The times that you are sincere, I respect you for it. But when you're just acting to get the attention of the group it really makes me wonder who you really are.

You can spew drivel but people still won't want to listen to your defense, because you don't listen to others. Even if you find it the least bit true you still stick to your own faulty logic.

So what I got out of this post, was that you don't care enough about others.. people that are even close to you, to censor your language.

I can understand you saying it to someone you just met, and I can imagine you being a dick to them. But when I sincerely asked you today to not talk like that around me, you just snapped back with, "It's my freedom". We did that in elementary school!!!

Seriously Aaron, grow up.

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dasuberkinder April 3 2007, 04:13:33 UTC
"When you choose to be offended you lose yourself"

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amys_world April 3 2007, 07:42:06 UTC
Untrue. I would say that its is absolutely acceptable to be offended, "choose to be offended" as you say, if someone attacks an ideal or person you care about, or acts in a manner detrimental and derogatory to others. If I may twist your words, when you choose to OFFEND you lose yourself, becoming too caught up in your own selfish tunnel vision and the adrenaline you feel from getting a rise out of others that you become a hypocrite of the worst order.

You preach social identity as a right, argue passionately (and eloquently) that change is a part of life and people should not be expected to remain static, yet in the same breath you defend your flagrant abuse of "nigger" and other extremely negative and socially unacceptable terms. Years ago, they were acceptable, but, because of the change you speak so highly and reverently of, they are no longer the same words, their meanings have shifted from simply labels to wildly racist and dangerous.

There is nothing wrong with being offended. It shows you care, it shows you are socially aware, and it shows you have morals. You claim to be a good person worth of respect, yet I have yet to see that side of you. In order to receive respect, you must first give and earn it. It's a two way street, and no one is asking you to go all the way alone. But you have no right to claim that the humanity of taking offense to an intentionally offensive and controversial term is in any way wrong.

Seriously, Aaron, think about what you're trying to say. We have every right to request that you partake of some self-censorship when it comes to brutally offensive terms that you opt to sling around like they mean nothing to anyone. Yes, you have that right, but we also have the right to request you stop. Supreme Court rulings dictate that your right to free speech ends at mine. Think about it. Then there's the issue of respecting the people you call your friends...

Ok, essay over.

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dasuberkinder April 3 2007, 09:50:15 UTC
Right: Free Speech(outside of school, to your peers)
Right: Free Ideas
Right: Free Action (within the law)

Preference: Political Correctness
Preference: Modern Ideal of Courtesy
Preference: Changing to Others wants

Request: You to Understand the Topic (Its not Racism or the use of the word nigger) it was mereley an example
Request: You to READ/LISTEN which people are obsessed that i dont do
Request: Dont just regurgitate lines or restate your obsession that i want and long for respect and adulation OH PLEASE LOVE ME IM LONLEY[

In anything anyone says to me i respect ONE persons argument, Ben Nye's I CAN be less of a dick, but im not

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amys_world April 3 2007, 19:48:29 UTC
I don't recall stating that you "long for respect." It's quite obvious by your actions that you don't. I was just pointing out that you get very bitchy sometimes when we ignore you or tell you to quit it and then proceed to mope and groan about how we don't listen to you. You're right, we often don't (or at least I don't) because of your blatant disregard for other people. I was trying to say that respecting others a wee bit would make your life easier.

And my main gripe, as stated in the second sentence of that long-ass essay, was your insistence that taking offense is bad.

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