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[dark_writer13]

First, to use my live journal as an adversitement board:

Gallimaufry submission for spin off are due on Friday. Do it!

Also, Jeffery Montgomery is coming on Wednesday the 7th from 7-8:30 in the Kingswood Commons to talk about The Laramie Project! Everyone come!!!

And now, for my thoughts on the Katie Koestner visit...

First, I want to mention

Comments

Re: forgive me for sounding possibly like an asshole but...

[aguyandhisdeck]

As I said to Wally 14, I don't appreciate your condescending tone. I was trying to voice a different view on the matter, and in turn I am labeled as "a problem with the world". Also, as stated in my other comment, every person is responsible for his or her actions and the consequences of those actions. This applies to both of the people involved.

Nowhere did I say that such acts should be allowed. The man is a criminal, and deserves to be punished as such. I never said he should get away with it, and I never said people should be ok with it. I never said she deserved it.

For this event to have taken place, two people had to have made mistakes. I'm not calling her a whore nor am I saying that she is a bad person. But she needs to be held accountable for her decisions, just as he should be. She is still the victim in this case, and deserves no punishment. But she does need to be viewed with the same scrutiny as he does, before automatically labelling her as the "helpless victim" that she very well may be. When people refuse to approach the notion that such events are caused by the mistakes of both people involved, then I see that as foolish and close minded as you see me.

Re: forgive me for sounding possibly like an asshole but...

[lightmagicks]

um question guys.... would you have sex with a dead girl? cause in my mind once a girl has passed out it would be pretty much the same thing, she has no control over what happenes to her or what is going on. she has not given consent for you to have sex with her and her making out with you before hand has nothing to do with the point. have you ever made out with a girl and then not had sex with her? if you have raise your hand cause im sure you have i know i have made out with guys and then said no to sex or them personnally touching me in anyother way. just cause she made out with you drunk gives u no right to touch her. and going back to my first question if she were dead would u still have sex with her? if you were dead would u want people to have sex with you. and keep in mind that if you pass out after consumming a ton of alcohol you can die. rape is rape no matter how u spell it. pressuring or forcing a girl to have sex with you is rape and not a way to win any points. believe me i know. you can spell it any way you like backwards, forwards, inside-out, you can say i wasnt hard i didnt bruise her, you can say she was drunk and started showing attraction to me, i dont care if a girl is not sober or if she already said no once then if you have sex with her becasue u pressure her or shes drunk you are guilty of rape.

Re: forgive me for sounding possibly like an asshole but...

[aguyandhisdeck]

I didnt say you were the problem with the world. The fact that this particular opinion of yours is tolerated is the problem. So I'm not contributing to it.

True, she made a mistake in that respect. I get that. The consequences of that mistake should not include being raped. her mistake did not lead to that, the rapist's did.

I'm all about personal responsibility. You make your choices and you live with them, I'm cool with that. But when you are incapable of making choices, you should not have to take responsibility for actions you didnt make.

Her decision was to get drunk. she can be held accountable for that, sure. But putting any of the responsibility connected with the rape onto her is unfair. If she was conscious and simply too weak to fight him off, would the blame be on her then? No, because she was physically incapable of doing more to defend herself. Such is the case here. The reasons for her incapability are not in question when it comes to the rape itself.

You're only closed minded if you can't change your mind. I change my mind when I can find a better argument than mine. Yours has yet to change my mind because I agree with the personal responsibility bit, and disagree with the fact that it has any bearing on the responsibility for the rape. So you can argue your personal responsibility crap for as long as you want, you wont convince me that it applies.