Enlightenment
dark_moon669: long time no see..
anonymous: hello
dark_moon669: how's your life?
anonymous: not bad, I haven't had a computer to get online with for a few months..
anonymous: I've started working again doing programing and such.. also writing a sci-fi/spiritual novel
anonymous: how bout u?
dark_moon669: that sounds wonders..
dark_moon669: great.. though.. i've acquired an allergy that I haven't figured out what is yet..
dark_moon669: nuts.. i think..
anonymous: well, your probably better off lol once you make a name for it, it becomes more solidified
anonymous: just feel it, and release it
dark_moon669: yeah.. that sucks.. nuts is 50% of my diet..
dark_moon669: i think i shall follow that advice..
dark_moon669: at least until my throat decides to swell and i stop breathing
anonymous: really..
dark_moon669: lol
anonymous: well some aspect of yourself has built a reaction to nuts.. mabey you should meditate on your throat
dark_moon669: maybe i should..
anonymous:or try to be very conscious while eating nuts
dark_moon669: yeah..
dark_moon669: i just ate some peanut butter..
dark_moon669: to see if i would have a reaction..
dark_moon669: nothing yet
anonymous: yeah
anonymous: good
dark_moon669: so how is the novel going?
anonymous: pretty good..though I have to focus on working to make money as well, but between me and my friend who I'm working on it with, we have over 100 pages
dark_moon669: that's great..
dark_moon669: how far along is that?
anonymous: well it will probably be around 5-600, so not too far, but soon we will create a 'package' and see if we can get any publishing contracts..
dark_moon669: awesome..
anonymous: yes, it is a way to express our understanding
dark_moon669: understanding... of what?
anonymous: reality, life, creation, etc
anonymous: the emergence of consciousness
dark_moon669: do you feel like your understanding needs to be expressed anymore than
anonymous: than what?
dark_moon669: what Jesus or Ghandi or Buddha has already tried to express?
anonymous: in some senses yes, t'is a little different
anonymous: or at least another aspect that they didn't really get into
dark_moon669: did they not get into it? .. or were they simply misunderstood by the masses they tried to express their understanding to?
anonymous: well of course they were misunderstood by the masses, who isn't but no, they did not really express the idea of Being as form in Body, nor the idea of Gaian unions..
dark_moon669: the use of other words doesn't mean that it is the use of different ideas..
anonymous: this is true, but at the same time, some things were not ready to be communicated until now..
dark_moon669: I can understand that.. perhaps it is time for a spiritual evolution..
anonymous: tthere are other aspects besides individual enlightenment..
anonymous: collective enlightenment, Love as wholeness in Form, etc..
dark_moon669: like the enlightenment of all.. simultaneously..
anonymous: yes, though I don't think that will happen, as not everyone is 'ment' to be enlightened in the same way.. but the more consciousness and Love that is present, the more free Will, which is the underlying aspect of effortless creation will be present in physical reality
dark_moon669: should you in fact interfere with something that simply cannot be interfered with.. we are constantly evolving at our own pace and will continue to.. regardless of what we read or others say..
dark_moon669: this is the reason totally that jesus and buddha were misunderstood in the first place..
dark_moon669: you cannot interfere with the process one must go through
anonymous: in a sense yes, we will do what we will do but at the same time, there are many aspects of Creation, some seemingly paradoxical..some are ment, as they were, to be focalizers for emerging consciousness, Love, Being, etc.. and anyway, just cause you were ment to do something, doesn't necessarily mean you have to do it
anonymous: Our existence is a perfect example of this, we hold infinity in one hand, and deny it with the other.. hiding from ourselves, creating a new infinity in the darkness
dark_moon669: sounds like a great book.. can't wait to read it.. but you do realize the only people it shall effect are those that are ready to embrace and in fact have been on that path in the first place..
anonymous: yes, but hopefully I will make some money as well lol
dark_moon669: ah.. yes dear thoreau
anonymous: I am not out to change the world, only myself..though I AM the world
anonymous: all about creation, feeling, consciousness, and Being, everything else is just details including these words
dark_moon669: i too hope to someday write a book along those same lines..
dark_moon669: perhaps i shall reap what i sow in this life.. in my next
anonymous: yeah great.. where are u located in ohio again?
dark_moon669: dayton
anonymous: oh yeah..
anonymous: yeah, well thats the thing, why do we die in the first place.. it is basically a denial of ourselves and Life itself
dark_moon669: the physical body is meant to die.. just as the leaves of a tree are meant to fall in the autumn..
anonymous: death is the end of life..ah..well, that is not my understanding, but it is a popular belief
dark_moon669: i didn't say death is the end of life..
dark_moon669: that is obviously your perspective
anonymous: the physical body gets put aside and denied so we can escape this lothsome eixtence..
dark_moon669: the idea is to figure out that it isn't loathsome in the first place.. lestat
anonymous: yeah, but when the physical body is seen as just a vehicle for the soul, how can it be otherwise?
dark_moon669: we are simply meant to link our understanding with our love..
dark_moon669: it is simply a cycle
anonymous: no wonder so many people get sick, and new diseases crop up all the time, the physical body takes alot of shit from us
dark_moon669: it's simply that we have lost touch with our physical bodies..
anonymous: how would you like it if someone said your just here so I can use you to better myself, then you'll die and be forgoten..but you'll have to take alot of pain and suffering while your waiting to die..
anonymous: thats what we tell our physical bodies
dark_moon669: it is..
dark_moon669: but that is a discovery that all humans must make for themselves
anonymous: if you give your body, not to mention your Body, a little Love, it's amazing how it responds
dark_moon669: that isn't to say .. that if i do take care and love my body.. that it will live forever
anonymous: well, not if you still deny your Will, and Spirit..
dark_moon669: to live forever is a very selfish thought
dark_moon669: physically
anonymous: but the potential is there of course.. we kill ourselves, it is our own creation, so we just have to make the conscious decision to stop kiling ourselves off, lifetime after lifetime
anonymous: you think so huh, well what about wanting to die..isn't that just as selfish?
dark_moon669: now that i understand.. but it has nothing to do with the physical
dark_moon669: it has nothing to do with wanting to live or die
anonymous: it doesn't huh.. so you separte 'reality' and Life from the physical?
dark_moon669: want.. period is considered a selfish act
anonymous: thats what we've been led to believe..deny yourself, think about others, not yourself
dark_moon669: i only teach myself.. i'm not led anywhere..
dark_moon669: and i only believe what it is that i have discovered to be true
anonymous: even though this material world denies both others and ourselves
anonymous: to really connect with others, you must Love and accept yourself, and that is the most selfish thing of all
dark_moon669: i can only help you by helping myself
anonymous: yeah, but you can do some co-creation too
dark_moon669: depending on the mindset can be considered by selfish.. and not selfish..
anonymous: yeah, well words and objective meanings are limited forms of communication anyway..
dark_moon669: you're right.. but why try to communicate what it is that we all already know.. it is the choice of the person to allow themselves to see it
anonymous: yeah, but getting too cuaght up in determinism is limiting too.. what will be will be..so let all just be thats the same as accepting death..
dark_moon669: and what do you propose will happen if you realize and i realize that you and i dont have to die.. that we may simply live forever in peace and harmony and love..
anonymous: things beyond our imagination
anonymous: we will not only experience as gods, we will exist as gods in form as well..
dark_moon669: the only way to cope with living at all is through the rise and fall of empires.. including our bodies .. it is the reason for seasons.. and it is the reason for time..
dark_moon669: gods is a stupid word..
anonymous: denial is the reason for season and time though they are beautiful creations just the same, but there is so much more, why limit ourselves?
dark_moon669: we are all the creators of all of our worlds..
anonymous: yes
dark_moon669: and there is a reason that this world is the way that it is..
anonymous: so why create this mostly static dense limited form of existence?
dark_moon669: perhaps when you discover what it is you are striving for.. you shall move to a different world.. and live forever as a god
anonymous:I don't want to move to a different world, I was born here, why should I leave lol
dark_moon669: in this life .. you shall.. simply because in order for the things to happen that you want to happen.. everyone must come to an acceptance and understanding.. that we are all just here.. and no where else..
anonymous: Life doesn't need to make compromises, only people do
anonymous: yes, I am aware of that.. but Creation has more aspects than this or that belief system.. we are here, but we are also creating here, so why not create here consciously?
dark_moon669: here..consciously.. is a matter of perception and perspective..
anonymous: we exist mostly as un-conscious progrmaed robots in physical reality..there is very little conscius presence or Love in our existnce
dark_moon669: and we must all see here for ourselves
dark_moon669: in your existence..
anonymous: consciusness is more than a matter of perception it is more a state of being..it is the energy of Life
dark_moon669: it is the energy of life.. and through perspective and particular perception.. we are able to see this.. but it is totally up to choice of person to discover
anonymous: it is in some senses the 'vehicle' of Spirit in physical existence and all reality.. allowing Light to manifest..
anonymous: yes, it is all a choice, but without free Will, not much of a choice
dark_moon669: we choose to not have free will.. and until we choose to have it.. we will make the choice to live freely consciously in this world.. allowing our love to travel freely
anonymous: there is very little Love here to travel anywhere
dark_moon669: again.. that is a matter of perspective..
anonymous: and we only live freely within a very small space we make for ourselves
dark_moon669: one must be understanding and compassionate.. to those who have not yet learned to be so
dark_moon669: my world is the only one that i live in..
anonymous: hmm..well compassion is not Love, neither is understanding, but they often come when Love is present, but not always
dark_moon669: you must feel an ever present love in order to be compassionate and understanding
anonymous: Love is an accepting energy, and much more..it IS
dark_moon669: i know.. and that IS allows us to be more caring for ourselves and each other
anonymous: in Love such things come naturally, not forced..nothing to learn..but compassion is not Love
anonymous: sometimes war and killing could be a Loving thing..
dark_moon669: through love comes compassion.. there is nothing to learn ever.. we already know all
anonymous: well I am just working on becoming conscious of my creation, nothing more than that really..
anonymous: becoming a whole Being as Form
dark_moon669: which is something we are all striving to do.. and is the only reason we are .. here.. as being as form..
anonymous: yes, so why deny the body and Body?
dark_moon669: it isn't the denial of.. it is the process of not..
anonymous: death IS the denial of Life
dark_moon669: there is no death
anonymous: now thats a hard sell lol how do you figure that?
anonymous: I've seen people die..was that an illusion?
dark_moon669: yes
dark_moon669: yours.. mine.. everyones
anonymous: I see so what sin't an 'illusion'?
dark_moon669: here..
anonymous: but here, people die
dark_moon669: it is only a path that we travel... on.. you believe in death.. i do not
anonymous: I really don't use the word illusion, except in common conversation, not in my understanding
dark_moon669: you are simply taking another train to the next train station
anonymous: so then you are making the choice not to die in physical reality?
dark_moon669: i dont believe in death..
dark_moon669: physical reality holds no water in my world
anonymous: thats a very 'nice' analogy, but it only covers up the fact of denying the physical body..many religions and even mystical systems do this..
dark_moon669: i have only my own system of belief.. and through "denial" of body have i learned to free myself and be more in touch with not only my physical self but also my conscious self
anonymous: it is like the selling tactics of the Jehovah's Witnesses, that when you die you will live in a paradise forever with lions right beside you
dark_moon669: what you would call prison.. i would call freedom..
dark_moon669: perhaps you only need to deprogram yourself
dark_moon669: i dont believe in a paradise forever..
anonymous: well, yes I do but thats beside the point
dark_moon669: i am already there.
dark_moon669: there is no afterlife.. because there is no death
anonymous: so am I, but part of my 'paradise' is Creation, consciousness, Love, WIll, Spirit..and evolution is the experienc of Creation..or paradise
dark_moon669: i can agree
anonymous: tell that to someone dying of cancer, of course they might believe you
anonymous: so would you believe that if you hit a wall, you will feel it..is that 'real' to u?
dark_moon669: it is those that are afraid to face death .. that believe they are dying
dark_moon669: im not denying that i have a physical body
anonymous: you seem to be expressing the eternal existence of the spirit, but that is something other than death
dark_moon669: death is just another train station we must catch the next train at..
anonymous: yeah yeah
anonymous:well I don't want to catch another train, I want to become conscius of this one, and evolve it..
anonymous: you ever wonder why the train system was set up to begin with?
dark_moon669: let go of what you want... and you shall receive it
dark_moon669: no..
dark_moon669: i dont
anonymous: well our desires are part of us..life denying the body, we also deny our Will, though what you say is also true, but mainly of desires created from denial of ourselves
anonymous: well, thats something to ponder
anonymous: then what I'm saying might make more sense..
dark_moon669: understanding that you dont need it.. isn't necessarily denial..
dark_moon669: yes.. to someone who has issues with shedding the mortal coil..
anonymous: no it's not, but not doing something you feel like doing, whether sex, hitting somebody, etc..because of some beilef that it is wrong is denial.. feeling anger, fear, etc allows consciousness to expand, but this cannot go very far if one denies their physical body
dark_moon669: believing anything is wrong.. is never a positive thing..
anonymous: yes
dark_moon669: but understanding when it is best fulfilled.. can be more "healthy" than indulging at every impulse
anonymous: yes, though some impulses are expressions of Will, but many are reactions and based in the mind
dark_moon669: which is part of the physical body..
anonymous: the mind structures, not the mind
dark_moon669: is denying the mind the constant impulses it has.. denying the physical body
anonymous: not exactly, but denying anything is limiting
anonymous: Love does not deny
dark_moon669: neither does love indulge
dark_moon669: excessively
anonymous: indulgence is more a mind thing
dark_moon669: the mind is part of the physical..
anonymous: how do u figure that?
dark_moon669: it is here..
anonymous: they are interconnected yes, but it is more than our physical form
anonymous: do u dream?
dark_moon669: yes..
anonymous: mind is there too
dark_moon669: connected with the physical act of sleeping coming in specific cycles of slee[
dark_moon669: p
anonymous: and mind is interconnected with others..
anonymous: the physical act of sleeping.. so you don't see the dreamworld as another reality?
dark_moon669: it is all the same reality.. it is all connected..
anonymous: yes, but mind is present in dreams
anonymous: it is present in the astral as well
dark_moon669: my dreams tell me things that i do not generally see on a conscious level that go on in my physical life..
dark_moon669: it is ever present.. different aspects of the mind affect different aspects of life.. but it is all one
anonymous: and one is many
dark_moon669: one is all
anonymous: Oneness is only one aspect of Creation
dark_moon669: there are many colors.. but just one
anonymous: but there can be many Ones
dark_moon669: brb
anonymous: this is the idea of Being as Form
dark_moon669: back
anonymous: ok, but I need to get going.. have enjoyed chatting with u though
dark_moon669: okay.. have a good night
anonymous: you too..talk to u later..bye
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anonymous: hello
dark_moon669: how's your life?
anonymous: not bad, I haven't had a computer to get online with for a few months..
anonymous: I've started working again doing programing and such.. also writing a sci-fi/spiritual novel
anonymous: how bout u?
dark_moon669: that sounds wonders..
dark_moon669: great.. though.. i've acquired an allergy that I haven't figured out what is yet..
dark_moon669: nuts.. i think..
anonymous: well, your probably better off lol once you make a name for it, it becomes more solidified
anonymous: just feel it, and release it
dark_moon669: yeah.. that sucks.. nuts is 50% of my diet..
dark_moon669: i think i shall follow that advice..
dark_moon669: at least until my throat decides to swell and i stop breathing
anonymous: really..
dark_moon669: lol
anonymous: well some aspect of yourself has built a reaction to nuts.. mabey you should meditate on your throat
dark_moon669: maybe i should..
anonymous:or try to be very conscious while eating nuts
dark_moon669: yeah..
dark_moon669: i just ate some peanut butter..
dark_moon669: to see if i would have a reaction..
dark_moon669: nothing yet
anonymous: yeah
anonymous: good
dark_moon669: so how is the novel going?
anonymous: pretty good..though I have to focus on working to make money as well, but between me and my friend who I'm working on it with, we have over 100 pages
dark_moon669: that's great..
dark_moon669: how far along is that?
anonymous: well it will probably be around 5-600, so not too far, but soon we will create a 'package' and see if we can get any publishing contracts..
dark_moon669: awesome..
anonymous: yes, it is a way to express our understanding
dark_moon669: understanding... of what?
anonymous: reality, life, creation, etc
anonymous: the emergence of consciousness
dark_moon669: do you feel like your understanding needs to be expressed anymore than
anonymous: than what?
dark_moon669: what Jesus or Ghandi or Buddha has already tried to express?
anonymous: in some senses yes, t'is a little different
anonymous: or at least another aspect that they didn't really get into
dark_moon669: did they not get into it? .. or were they simply misunderstood by the masses they tried to express their understanding to?
anonymous: well of course they were misunderstood by the masses, who isn't but no, they did not really express the idea of Being as form in Body, nor the idea of Gaian unions..
dark_moon669: the use of other words doesn't mean that it is the use of different ideas..
anonymous: this is true, but at the same time, some things were not ready to be communicated until now..
dark_moon669: I can understand that.. perhaps it is time for a spiritual evolution..
anonymous: tthere are other aspects besides individual enlightenment..
anonymous: collective enlightenment, Love as wholeness in Form, etc..
dark_moon669: like the enlightenment of all.. simultaneously..
anonymous: yes, though I don't think that will happen, as not everyone is 'ment' to be enlightened in the same way.. but the more consciousness and Love that is present, the more free Will, which is the underlying aspect of effortless creation will be present in physical reality
dark_moon669: should you in fact interfere with something that simply cannot be interfered with.. we are constantly evolving at our own pace and will continue to.. regardless of what we read or others say..
dark_moon669: this is the reason totally that jesus and buddha were misunderstood in the first place..
dark_moon669: you cannot interfere with the process one must go through
anonymous: in a sense yes, we will do what we will do but at the same time, there are many aspects of Creation, some seemingly paradoxical..some are ment, as they were, to be focalizers for emerging consciousness, Love, Being, etc.. and anyway, just cause you were ment to do something, doesn't necessarily mean you have to do it
anonymous: Our existence is a perfect example of this, we hold infinity in one hand, and deny it with the other.. hiding from ourselves, creating a new infinity in the darkness
dark_moon669: sounds like a great book.. can't wait to read it.. but you do realize the only people it shall effect are those that are ready to embrace and in fact have been on that path in the first place..
anonymous: yes, but hopefully I will make some money as well lol
dark_moon669: ah.. yes dear thoreau
anonymous: I am not out to change the world, only myself..though I AM the world
anonymous: all about creation, feeling, consciousness, and Being, everything else is just details including these words
dark_moon669: i too hope to someday write a book along those same lines..
dark_moon669: perhaps i shall reap what i sow in this life.. in my next
anonymous: yeah great.. where are u located in ohio again?
dark_moon669: dayton
anonymous: oh yeah..
anonymous: yeah, well thats the thing, why do we die in the first place.. it is basically a denial of ourselves and Life itself
dark_moon669: the physical body is meant to die.. just as the leaves of a tree are meant to fall in the autumn..
anonymous: death is the end of life..ah..well, that is not my understanding, but it is a popular belief
dark_moon669: i didn't say death is the end of life..
dark_moon669: that is obviously your perspective
anonymous: the physical body gets put aside and denied so we can escape this lothsome eixtence..
dark_moon669: the idea is to figure out that it isn't loathsome in the first place.. lestat
anonymous: yeah, but when the physical body is seen as just a vehicle for the soul, how can it be otherwise?
dark_moon669: we are simply meant to link our understanding with our love..
dark_moon669: it is simply a cycle
anonymous: no wonder so many people get sick, and new diseases crop up all the time, the physical body takes alot of shit from us
dark_moon669: it's simply that we have lost touch with our physical bodies..
anonymous: how would you like it if someone said your just here so I can use you to better myself, then you'll die and be forgoten..but you'll have to take alot of pain and suffering while your waiting to die..
anonymous: thats what we tell our physical bodies
dark_moon669: it is..
dark_moon669: but that is a discovery that all humans must make for themselves
anonymous: if you give your body, not to mention your Body, a little Love, it's amazing how it responds
dark_moon669: that isn't to say .. that if i do take care and love my body.. that it will live forever
anonymous: well, not if you still deny your Will, and Spirit..
dark_moon669: to live forever is a very selfish thought
dark_moon669: physically
anonymous: but the potential is there of course.. we kill ourselves, it is our own creation, so we just have to make the conscious decision to stop kiling ourselves off, lifetime after lifetime
anonymous: you think so huh, well what about wanting to die..isn't that just as selfish?
dark_moon669: now that i understand.. but it has nothing to do with the physical
dark_moon669: it has nothing to do with wanting to live or die
anonymous: it doesn't huh.. so you separte 'reality' and Life from the physical?
dark_moon669: want.. period is considered a selfish act
anonymous: thats what we've been led to believe..deny yourself, think about others, not yourself
dark_moon669: i only teach myself.. i'm not led anywhere..
dark_moon669: and i only believe what it is that i have discovered to be true
anonymous: even though this material world denies both others and ourselves
anonymous: to really connect with others, you must Love and accept yourself, and that is the most selfish thing of all
dark_moon669: i can only help you by helping myself
anonymous: yeah, but you can do some co-creation too
dark_moon669: depending on the mindset can be considered by selfish.. and not selfish..
anonymous: yeah, well words and objective meanings are limited forms of communication anyway..
dark_moon669: you're right.. but why try to communicate what it is that we all already know.. it is the choice of the person to allow themselves to see it
anonymous: yeah, but getting too cuaght up in determinism is limiting too.. what will be will be..so let all just be thats the same as accepting death..
dark_moon669: and what do you propose will happen if you realize and i realize that you and i dont have to die.. that we may simply live forever in peace and harmony and love..
anonymous: things beyond our imagination
anonymous: we will not only experience as gods, we will exist as gods in form as well..
dark_moon669: the only way to cope with living at all is through the rise and fall of empires.. including our bodies .. it is the reason for seasons.. and it is the reason for time..
dark_moon669: gods is a stupid word..
anonymous: denial is the reason for season and time though they are beautiful creations just the same, but there is so much more, why limit ourselves?
dark_moon669: we are all the creators of all of our worlds..
anonymous: yes
dark_moon669: and there is a reason that this world is the way that it is..
anonymous: so why create this mostly static dense limited form of existence?
dark_moon669: perhaps when you discover what it is you are striving for.. you shall move to a different world.. and live forever as a god
anonymous:I don't want to move to a different world, I was born here, why should I leave lol
dark_moon669: in this life .. you shall.. simply because in order for the things to happen that you want to happen.. everyone must come to an acceptance and understanding.. that we are all just here.. and no where else..
anonymous: Life doesn't need to make compromises, only people do
anonymous: yes, I am aware of that.. but Creation has more aspects than this or that belief system.. we are here, but we are also creating here, so why not create here consciously?
dark_moon669: here..consciously.. is a matter of perception and perspective..
anonymous: we exist mostly as un-conscious progrmaed robots in physical reality..there is very little conscius presence or Love in our existnce
dark_moon669: and we must all see here for ourselves
dark_moon669: in your existence..
anonymous: consciusness is more than a matter of perception it is more a state of being..it is the energy of Life
dark_moon669: it is the energy of life.. and through perspective and particular perception.. we are able to see this.. but it is totally up to choice of person to discover
anonymous: it is in some senses the 'vehicle' of Spirit in physical existence and all reality.. allowing Light to manifest..
anonymous: yes, it is all a choice, but without free Will, not much of a choice
dark_moon669: we choose to not have free will.. and until we choose to have it.. we will make the choice to live freely consciously in this world.. allowing our love to travel freely
anonymous: there is very little Love here to travel anywhere
dark_moon669: again.. that is a matter of perspective..
anonymous: and we only live freely within a very small space we make for ourselves
dark_moon669: one must be understanding and compassionate.. to those who have not yet learned to be so
dark_moon669: my world is the only one that i live in..
anonymous: hmm..well compassion is not Love, neither is understanding, but they often come when Love is present, but not always
dark_moon669: you must feel an ever present love in order to be compassionate and understanding
anonymous: Love is an accepting energy, and much more..it IS
dark_moon669: i know.. and that IS allows us to be more caring for ourselves and each other
anonymous: in Love such things come naturally, not forced..nothing to learn..but compassion is not Love
anonymous: sometimes war and killing could be a Loving thing..
dark_moon669: through love comes compassion.. there is nothing to learn ever.. we already know all
anonymous: well I am just working on becoming conscious of my creation, nothing more than that really..
anonymous: becoming a whole Being as Form
dark_moon669: which is something we are all striving to do.. and is the only reason we are .. here.. as being as form..
anonymous: yes, so why deny the body and Body?
dark_moon669: it isn't the denial of.. it is the process of not..
anonymous: death IS the denial of Life
dark_moon669: there is no death
anonymous: now thats a hard sell lol how do you figure that?
anonymous: I've seen people die..was that an illusion?
dark_moon669: yes
dark_moon669: yours.. mine.. everyones
anonymous: I see so what sin't an 'illusion'?
dark_moon669: here..
anonymous: but here, people die
dark_moon669: it is only a path that we travel... on.. you believe in death.. i do not
anonymous: I really don't use the word illusion, except in common conversation, not in my understanding
dark_moon669: you are simply taking another train to the next train station
anonymous: so then you are making the choice not to die in physical reality?
dark_moon669: i dont believe in death..
dark_moon669: physical reality holds no water in my world
anonymous: thats a very 'nice' analogy, but it only covers up the fact of denying the physical body..many religions and even mystical systems do this..
dark_moon669: i have only my own system of belief.. and through "denial" of body have i learned to free myself and be more in touch with not only my physical self but also my conscious self
anonymous: it is like the selling tactics of the Jehovah's Witnesses, that when you die you will live in a paradise forever with lions right beside you
dark_moon669: what you would call prison.. i would call freedom..
dark_moon669: perhaps you only need to deprogram yourself
dark_moon669: i dont believe in a paradise forever..
anonymous: well, yes I do but thats beside the point
dark_moon669: i am already there.
dark_moon669: there is no afterlife.. because there is no death
anonymous: so am I, but part of my 'paradise' is Creation, consciousness, Love, WIll, Spirit..and evolution is the experienc of Creation..or paradise
dark_moon669: i can agree
anonymous: tell that to someone dying of cancer, of course they might believe you
anonymous: so would you believe that if you hit a wall, you will feel it..is that 'real' to u?
dark_moon669: it is those that are afraid to face death .. that believe they are dying
dark_moon669: im not denying that i have a physical body
anonymous: you seem to be expressing the eternal existence of the spirit, but that is something other than death
dark_moon669: death is just another train station we must catch the next train at..
anonymous: yeah yeah
anonymous:well I don't want to catch another train, I want to become conscius of this one, and evolve it..
anonymous: you ever wonder why the train system was set up to begin with?
dark_moon669: let go of what you want... and you shall receive it
dark_moon669: no..
dark_moon669: i dont
anonymous: well our desires are part of us..life denying the body, we also deny our Will, though what you say is also true, but mainly of desires created from denial of ourselves
anonymous: well, thats something to ponder
anonymous: then what I'm saying might make more sense..
dark_moon669: understanding that you dont need it.. isn't necessarily denial..
dark_moon669: yes.. to someone who has issues with shedding the mortal coil..
anonymous: no it's not, but not doing something you feel like doing, whether sex, hitting somebody, etc..because of some beilef that it is wrong is denial.. feeling anger, fear, etc allows consciousness to expand, but this cannot go very far if one denies their physical body
dark_moon669: believing anything is wrong.. is never a positive thing..
anonymous: yes
dark_moon669: but understanding when it is best fulfilled.. can be more "healthy" than indulging at every impulse
anonymous: yes, though some impulses are expressions of Will, but many are reactions and based in the mind
dark_moon669: which is part of the physical body..
anonymous: the mind structures, not the mind
dark_moon669: is denying the mind the constant impulses it has.. denying the physical body
anonymous: not exactly, but denying anything is limiting
anonymous: Love does not deny
dark_moon669: neither does love indulge
dark_moon669: excessively
anonymous: indulgence is more a mind thing
dark_moon669: the mind is part of the physical..
anonymous: how do u figure that?
dark_moon669: it is here..
anonymous: they are interconnected yes, but it is more than our physical form
anonymous: do u dream?
dark_moon669: yes..
anonymous: mind is there too
dark_moon669: connected with the physical act of sleeping coming in specific cycles of slee[
dark_moon669: p
anonymous: and mind is interconnected with others..
anonymous: the physical act of sleeping.. so you don't see the dreamworld as another reality?
dark_moon669: it is all the same reality.. it is all connected..
anonymous: yes, but mind is present in dreams
anonymous: it is present in the astral as well
dark_moon669: my dreams tell me things that i do not generally see on a conscious level that go on in my physical life..
dark_moon669: it is ever present.. different aspects of the mind affect different aspects of life.. but it is all one
anonymous: and one is many
dark_moon669: one is all
anonymous: Oneness is only one aspect of Creation
dark_moon669: there are many colors.. but just one
anonymous: but there can be many Ones
dark_moon669: brb
anonymous: this is the idea of Being as Form
dark_moon669: back
anonymous: ok, but I need to get going.. have enjoyed chatting with u though
dark_moon669: okay.. have a good night
anonymous: you too..talk to u later..bye
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