chaos813 posting in the now
anonymous
October 10 2003, 06:55:06 UTC
Hi Daps! Wales has it's share of good surfing! But learning is a bitch in water that cold! Learn to surf at some point in your life, but on your next free day, you must at least go to the ocean and wade. To be safe, either go with a friend or wade near people--don't wade too far out, water to your knees is deep enough, and never turn your back to the water. You'll freeze but it's worth it.
I didn't really sympathize with any of the characters in CITR or IGD either, but I empathized with Igby's and Holden's anger, cynicism, skepticism, and sense that "somewhere else" must be better than "here". I identified with their rebellion and the idea that, by rebelling, they could evade going crazy. Although, the main characters journey's differ on that last point, their both trying to escape, was/is brave to me on some level. Not traveling is my biggest regret--that and getting married too soon, but that is an entirely different universe. I still plan to travel eventually....but you know how eventually goes :). Believe it or not, I am also, not a huge fan of change. I think that my college experiences were a lot about the idea I mentioned before, of "somewhere else". That said, living in Washington and Hawaii were two of the greatest times of my life. I don't know about finding myself--I think every truth about yourself you are born knowing. Are you living truthfully--is the question. During that time, I was more than I wasn't. :) I plan on teaching and going to school at night. I've always worked and gone to school, so that wouldn't be new. My hesitation comes from the commitment-phobia I've mentioned--At the moment, I don't ever want to have to be tied to something or somewhere long term. But, things change and I love learning so...Speaking of school, how are your classes?
If you haven't been by the Beta, Thank you for your Ash suggestion! I am digging "1977"! Speaking of suggestions--I think first listen to "Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols", explore them on-line if they tweak your interest(to get an idea of their history and the influence they had on music)then see "Sid and Nancy". Regarding David Lynch, I think you should explore Lynch, but I am not sure where to recommend you start. I do think you need to see the Twin Peaks TV series episodes before "Fire Walk With Me", as that is how Lynch created them(first the series, then the movie, which is a prequel to the events that the series explores the aftermath of). I think probably, "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive" would be good DL films to see first. Also, "The Elephant Man", is outstanding and a must see, but it won't give you as good of an idea of the "Twin Peaks"-like Lynch world as BV or MD. Can you get the Comedy Channel(I know nothing about the differences between UK and US tv...)? Because Sports Night airs on it in re-runs--at very odd hours--but perhaps a possibility? It is awesome, obviously different in scope than the West Wing, but soooo funny and well written--worth hunting down, if you can.
I am flattered by what you said about the teaching :). I think it remains to be seen about the actual good I've done, but Thank you-- very much :). I was taught the ideal that we are responsible to and for each other. There are lots of different career paths in which to live that ideal--for me, it was education, but the ideal came first. I am certain that kids who struggle, need adults who believe in them. If the kids who are "at-risk" aren't my responsibility, whose are they? I don't believe kids fail. The way they are being taught is failing to reach them. Or they have been failed by their families, or their socio-economic status, adults who should have helped, but didn't, etc. and they are in jail. Either way, I don't think it is acceptable to ever give up on a kid. When you say that is o.k., you begin a holocaust on the future. Find your ideal Daps and then make it reflect in whatever work you do...I will get off of my soap box now, too. :)
I'm stopping here because it is your turn to talk about all things you :).
Re: chaos813 posting in the nowdapsOctober 11 2003, 08:43:56 UTC
So long as one single student learned one single thing from you, I consider that to be doing good. *g*
You like water don't you. *g* I did go into the water a little bit recently. But I don't know if the Bristol Channel at Barry beach counts as the ocean. :)
Oooh, good points. I can definitely relate to the anger and the cynicism part - but definitely not the courage to actually try to change anything. Igby came across as inhumanly independent to me! I do think that finding oneself is a lifelong process. Of late I've been obsessed with 'happiness' as if it is a sort of state or goal that I am trying to get as close to as possible. So for me at the moment 'finding myself' is trying to see what makes me happy and what makes me miserable, and then doing as much as I can to stay doing the happy things and stay away from the miserable things. I take life too seriously I think. *g* I think commitment-phobia could work in your benefit this time - because getting stuck doing something you're not enjoying is one of the absolute worst feelings in the world, so as long as there are always many options open for you, things will work best, I reckon.
You were married? Wow, I had no idea. If you've mentioned it previously, then I need a *bap* for having forgotten. But I find that surprising, for some reason. Dunno why. Also - there's always time to travel, and I'm sure you will get around to it one day. :)
My classes are going well, thanks. I've followed it all pretty well so far, and I'm finding it interesting. A couple of the lecturers are fairly boring and rambly though (I seem quick and to-the-point in comparison! *g*) which isn't helping in their subject. But it is nice to be in uni learning stuff, and I'm feeling inspired to actually do the reading that the course suggests. :)
We do get a comedy channel, but I think it's definitely different to the USA one. I've not seen Sports Night on there. Mostly endless runs of Cheers. *g* I think the companies that run channels offer different shows on the American and British stations. For example, I know we both get The History Channel - but I'm positive that we get different shows.
Thanks for the Sex Pistols and David Lynch recommendations. Music-wise, I have so many MP3s on my PC now that I've not got around to organising and databasing yet (yes, I have an MP3 database *g*), which I badly need to do. I'll get started on that today, as I have music that you've recommended that I may not have listened to yet. On the movie thing; Mulholland Drive is being aired on Sky Movies a lot lately, so I'll definitely be able to catch that soon, I think. David Lynch movies are renowned for being extremely weird, aren't they? I wonder if my poor, easily-confused brain will be able to handle them. *g*
chaos813 posting in the not-so-now
anonymous
October 11 2003, 23:37:08 UTC
Well, the Bristol Channel is an extension of the Celtic Sea, which is an extension of the Atlantic Ocean, so it does count....? I mean the ocean like at the end of the Angel episode "In the Dark", when he walks out onto the beach and into the sun...was it like that?
Triple *bap* because technically, I am still married. We are separated, it's a mess and I don't talk about him or us very often, which is probably why it surprises you(that and the fact that I like Metallica and still listen to Punk Rock music *g*). Needless to say, we never should have gotten married, for a million different reasons and by this time next year, we won't be. My step-Mom always used to wish life came with 3 "take-backs"; my marriage would be one of mine.
As for David Lynch films, if me easily confused brain can handle his movies, yours can. They are weird with a side off bizarre, but visually, very beautiful. Just go into them with the attitude that it is o.k. if, at the end, all you can say is "Huh?" :) I was looking at the best movie years comments and I think Catmint is right, as far as the best decade being the 70's. I don't know the movies/years like she does(which is very impressive, my goodness!), but the entire decade was mind blowing for film in almost every genre. Spanning the decade you have:
The Godfather I & II 1972/74 Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1977 Apocalypse Now and Alien and Star Trek:The Motion Picture and Norma Rae and Kramer vs. Kramer 1979 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Jaws 1975 Halloween and The Deer Hunter 1978 Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and A Clockwork Orange 1971 The Exorcist in 1973 Woodstock 1970 A Star is Born and All the Presidents Men 1976
Anyway, that's enough from me--Get off the computer and do your reading for your classes Daps! :)
Re: chaos813 posting in the not-so-nowdapsOctober 13 2003, 16:16:59 UTC
It was sort of like the end of "In The Dark", though I think the experience was far more profound for Angel than it was for me. Then again - walking into water on a sunny day where the sea wasn't freezing cold made a nice chance for the UK!
LOL yeah, I never knew that punk rock fans were allowed to get married. :p I'm so sorry that yours hasn't worked out well though. *hugs* Does this mean you have 2 take-backs left? Or have you exhausted them all? I can't think of any massive, massive things I wish I could take back. Just billions and billions of small ones. (I wish I had spent midnight-2am on some random day in 2002 watching a movie instead of doing nothing, ad infinitum. *g*)
The Godfather movies are terrific aren't they. And after seeing Casino the other day, I definitely need to see more gangster films. I've been told that Goodfellas is excellent. I'll try and brush up on my 70s movie-watching in the next few months! That's the 70s and the 30s I need to improve mostly on now then, by the seem of it. :)
LOL! I'll keep that in mind when watching David Lynch then. Usally I get annoyed with myself for being confused, like I'm an inadequate film viewer... and also annoyed with myself for not getting out of the film what I was supposed to get. It's relieving to know that when I'm left scratching my head at the end of a David Lynch movie that I've not let myself and the film down. :D
I didn't really sympathize with any of the characters in CITR or IGD either, but I empathized with Igby's and Holden's anger, cynicism, skepticism, and sense that "somewhere else" must be better than "here". I identified with their rebellion and the idea that, by rebelling, they could evade going crazy. Although, the main characters journey's differ on that last point, their both trying to escape, was/is brave to me on some level. Not traveling is my biggest regret--that and getting married too soon, but that is an entirely different universe. I still plan to travel eventually....but you know how eventually goes :). Believe it or not, I am also, not a huge fan of change. I think that my college experiences were a lot about the idea I mentioned before, of "somewhere else". That said, living in Washington and Hawaii were two of the greatest times of my life. I don't know about finding myself--I think every truth about yourself you are born knowing. Are you living truthfully--is the question. During that time, I was more than I wasn't. :) I plan on teaching and going to school at night. I've always worked and gone to school, so that wouldn't be new. My hesitation comes from the commitment-phobia I've mentioned--At the moment, I don't ever want to have to be tied to something or somewhere long term. But, things change and I love learning so...Speaking of school, how are your classes?
If you haven't been by the Beta, Thank you for your Ash suggestion! I am digging "1977"! Speaking of suggestions--I think first listen to "Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols", explore them on-line if they tweak your interest(to get an idea of their history and the influence they had on music)then see "Sid and Nancy". Regarding David Lynch, I think you should explore Lynch, but I am not sure where to recommend you start. I do think you need to see the Twin Peaks TV series episodes before "Fire Walk With Me", as that is how Lynch created them(first the series, then the movie, which is a prequel to the events that the series explores the aftermath of). I think probably, "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive" would be good DL films to see first. Also, "The Elephant Man", is outstanding and a must see, but it won't give you as good of an idea of the "Twin Peaks"-like Lynch world as BV or MD. Can you get the Comedy Channel(I know nothing about the differences between UK and US tv...)? Because Sports Night airs on it in re-runs--at very odd hours--but perhaps a possibility? It is awesome, obviously different in scope than the West Wing, but soooo funny and well written--worth hunting down, if you can.
I am flattered by what you said about the teaching :). I think it remains to be seen about the actual good I've done, but Thank you-- very much :). I was taught the ideal that we are responsible to and for each other. There are lots of different career paths in which to live that ideal--for me, it was education, but the ideal came first. I am certain that kids who struggle, need adults who believe in them. If the kids who are "at-risk" aren't my responsibility, whose are they? I don't believe kids fail. The way they are being taught is failing to reach them. Or they have been failed by their families, or their socio-economic status, adults who should have helped, but didn't, etc. and they are in jail. Either way, I don't think it is acceptable to ever give up on a kid. When you say that is o.k., you begin a holocaust on the future. Find your ideal Daps and then make it reflect in whatever work you do...I will get off of my soap box now, too. :)
I'm stopping here because it is your turn to talk about all things you :).
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You like water don't you. *g* I did go into the water a little bit recently. But I don't know if the Bristol Channel at Barry beach counts as the ocean. :)
Oooh, good points. I can definitely relate to the anger and the cynicism part - but definitely not the courage to actually try to change anything. Igby came across as inhumanly independent to me! I do think that finding oneself is a lifelong process. Of late I've been obsessed with 'happiness' as if it is a sort of state or goal that I am trying to get as close to as possible. So for me at the moment 'finding myself' is trying to see what makes me happy and what makes me miserable, and then doing as much as I can to stay doing the happy things and stay away from the miserable things. I take life too seriously I think. *g* I think commitment-phobia could work in your benefit this time - because getting stuck doing something you're not enjoying is one of the absolute worst feelings in the world, so as long as there are always many options open for you, things will work best, I reckon.
You were married? Wow, I had no idea. If you've mentioned it previously, then I need a *bap* for having forgotten. But I find that surprising, for some reason. Dunno why. Also - there's always time to travel, and I'm sure you will get around to it one day. :)
My classes are going well, thanks. I've followed it all pretty well so far, and I'm finding it interesting. A couple of the lecturers are fairly boring and rambly though (I seem quick and to-the-point in comparison! *g*) which isn't helping in their subject. But it is nice to be in uni learning stuff, and I'm feeling inspired to actually do the reading that the course suggests. :)
We do get a comedy channel, but I think it's definitely different to the USA one. I've not seen Sports Night on there. Mostly endless runs of Cheers. *g* I think the companies that run channels offer different shows on the American and British stations. For example, I know we both get The History Channel - but I'm positive that we get different shows.
Thanks for the Sex Pistols and David Lynch recommendations. Music-wise, I have so many MP3s on my PC now that I've not got around to organising and databasing yet (yes, I have an MP3 database *g*), which I badly need to do. I'll get started on that today, as I have music that you've recommended that I may not have listened to yet. On the movie thing; Mulholland Drive is being aired on Sky Movies a lot lately, so I'll definitely be able to catch that soon, I think. David Lynch movies are renowned for being extremely weird, aren't they? I wonder if my poor, easily-confused brain will be able to handle them. *g*
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Triple *bap* because technically, I am still married. We are separated, it's a mess and I don't talk about him or us very often, which is probably why it surprises you(that and the fact that I like Metallica and still listen to Punk Rock music *g*). Needless to say, we never should have gotten married, for a million different reasons and by this time next year, we won't be. My step-Mom always used to wish life came with 3 "take-backs"; my marriage would be one of mine.
As for David Lynch films, if me easily confused brain can handle his movies, yours can. They are weird with a side off bizarre, but visually, very beautiful. Just go into them with the attitude that it is o.k. if, at the end, all you can say is "Huh?" :)
I was looking at the best movie years comments and I think Catmint is right, as far as the best decade being the 70's. I don't know the movies/years like she does(which is very impressive, my goodness!), but the entire decade was mind blowing for film in almost every genre. Spanning the decade you have:
The Godfather I & II 1972/74
Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1977
Apocalypse Now and Alien and Star Trek:The Motion Picture and Norma Rae and Kramer vs. Kramer 1979
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Jaws 1975
Halloween and The Deer Hunter 1978
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and A Clockwork Orange 1971
The Exorcist in 1973
Woodstock 1970
A Star is Born and All the Presidents Men 1976
Anyway, that's enough from me--Get off the computer and do your reading for your classes Daps! :)
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LOL yeah, I never knew that punk rock fans were allowed to get married. :p I'm so sorry that yours hasn't worked out well though. *hugs* Does this mean you have 2 take-backs left? Or have you exhausted them all? I can't think of any massive, massive things I wish I could take back. Just billions and billions of small ones. (I wish I had spent midnight-2am on some random day in 2002 watching a movie instead of doing nothing, ad infinitum. *g*)
The Godfather movies are terrific aren't they. And after seeing Casino the other day, I definitely need to see more gangster films. I've been told that Goodfellas is excellent. I'll try and brush up on my 70s movie-watching in the next few months! That's the 70s and the 30s I need to improve mostly on now then, by the seem of it. :)
LOL! I'll keep that in mind when watching David Lynch then. Usally I get annoyed with myself for being confused, like I'm an inadequate film viewer... and also annoyed with myself for not getting out of the film what I was supposed to get. It's relieving to know that when I'm left scratching my head at the end of a David Lynch movie that I've not let myself and the film down. :D
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