Ridiculous comment, part 2upupa_epopsMarch 30 2012, 20:31:07 UTC
Ugh, talking to family about TVD. How unfortunate.
Can we all agree that Damon looked phenomenally hot all strung up like that? And that he only got hotter as he got more wounded and bloodied? Tell me I'm not alone in this. It was UNBEARABLY HOT.
#beyond saving #priorities, we have them
Show, stop catering to my libido. It is terribly distracting.
And yes, a lot of it is what Elena said: these things happened to them. But some of it? Is what they made themselves into.
!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a Buffyverse quote for that. Remember when Spike got his arms cut off by an insane slayer, and after that Angel tries to give him a speech about how this girl "is just a victim"? And then Spike says: "We all were, once"? THIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!
"What he would want and what we should do are two different things."
LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I LOVED THIS QUOTE!!! Because this is Elena behaving LIKE DAMON. Fuck, this is DAMON'S live philosophy. I KNOW BETTER. I WILL VIOLATE SOMEONE'S CHOICE BECAUSE I KNOW BETTER. Elena openly tells Stefan she doesn't give a fuck about Damon's agency. In the episode in which Damon gets symbolically punished by all his violations of free will, Elena says that she would violate Damon's free will without blinking. As Rebekah victimizes Damon the way he always victimizes women, Elena wants to victimize him the way he always victimizes her. I CAN'T WITH THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!
Ughhhh Stefan doesn't punctuate his texts. It's ONE more button, Stefan, don't be lazy. #pet peeve
LOL, you must really suffer while reading my comments XD.
Why do you break my heart with flawless Bonnie thoughts?
But Damon was legitimately life-threatened today. And Elena...doesn't seem to be worried at all.
To play devil's advocate here - she does ask about Damon. She asks Stefan, makes sure Damon is ok. By the time she gets to the Boarding House, Damon has already gone to fetch Rick's stake, and she can't exactly be ridiculous and run after him to check up on him (especially since, apparently, he was feeling well enough to go to Alaric's). It makes much more sense to just wait for him to come back. I agree, perhaps there should've been at least a short interaction (though, tbh, I didn't really mind there wasn't), but if so, then it's a structure mistake, not a characterization mistake.
And now that I'm wondering... Damon HATES being a victim. He doesn't want Elena to check up on him. He brushes the whole torture thing off. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a conscious writing decision, but my shipper's mind is kind of excited about it? She knows him well enough to stay away. Knows him well enough to know that he would've prioritized Stefan over the plan to kill Klaus, and knows him well enough to not coddle him when it would only humiliate him more. (Yes, this is pure fanwank. I regret nothing.)
Alright, flist, what are we doing to cope?
Tbh, the trailer destroyed my sould, my brain and my ovaries. I am willing to do something insane. SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME!
#this comment isn't intelligent, but it has hashtags, wordiness and caps lock
Re: Ridiculous comment, part 2dante_kentApril 3 2012, 08:09:09 UTC
What is that gif even. I don't understand. How can that be so hot. HOW, MARTA. JUST. HOW.
I love that Spike quote! I remember that episode quite well. Super creepy, and fucking awesome. And I love the idea that being a victim doesn't absolve what you do in the aftermath. This is why I love vampire shows (well, the good ones).
Elena openly tells Stefan she doesn't give a fuck about Damon's agency. In the episode in which Damon gets symbolically punished by all his violations of free will, Elena says that she would violate Damon's free will without blinking.
YES YES YES. Wasn't this the best? I loved that scene so much because it was Elena acting EXACTLY like Damon, making the call about someone else's fate because of how SHE feels. Maybe that's why I was so disappointed when this scene turned out to be entirely irrelevant. Elena going along with the Kill Klaus plan because it's for the greater good was just...less interesting? Not that I wanted her to run off and rescue Damon, but at least if she had talked about it a little more we could have had someone calling her out on her hypocrisy. Elena/hypocrisy = one of my many OTP's.
LOL, you must really suffer while reading my comments XD.
NEVER.
Bonnie pretty much broke me in this episode. I'm just completely in love with everything she did.
Rationally, I know that Elena wasn't quite so callous as I made her out to be. I'm sure she was sufficiently concerned about Damon's well-being and all that. My issue was that everything about Elena's involvement in Damon's predicament got dropped so summarily. Perhaps if we hadn't had that first scene with her expressing concern I would have been able to let it go and just focus on Elena being her usual Saviour of the World self, but having that scene and then seeing her be entirely detached from the rest of the plotline just jarred with me.
Damon HATES being a victim. He doesn't want Elena to check up on him. He brushes the whole torture thing off.
I do love this. I agree that Damon totally ignores the whole ordeal. His scene with Ric was so casual - he looked fine, yeah, he's alive, let's move on. That's very Damon. Torture's never really bothered him, to be honest. And I love the idea of him hiding it all from Elena, because he doesn't want her pity. But something about it all just got to me - perhaps it was that Elena was in such Concern Mode over Stefan, and it just...I don't know. I need to get over it. It wasn't that big of a deal, all things considered. But it annoyed me at the time, which surprised me, because this season has been an Olympic Trolling session for D/E, which I've taken in stride (hell, most of the time I fucking enjoyed it), but this time it just frustrated me. Who knows. I'll move on.
Tbh, the trailer destroyed my sould, my brain and my ovaries.
RIGHT? I spent an unhealthy amount of my time this weekend thinking about it. I'm back to writing scenes in my head, because I can't fucking wait for the episode. Just. Dying.
#what is an intelligent comment? #hashtags/wordiness/capslock = my OTP
Re: Ridiculous comment, part 2upupa_epopsApril 3 2012, 08:36:47 UTC
I gave up on comprehending this gif. I just embrace it. FYLR :(.
I keep wondering if there even could've been a D/E conversation after the torture without ruining the narrative power of Damon's hallucination... I mean, if they talked, Elena would have to express SOME concern. Anything. And that, together with Damon's hallucination, would actually validate at least a part of his delusions? While now it stands clear that the whole romantic setting is in his head. Elena has feelings for him, but not like this. No epic romance will happen in this bar.
RIGHT? I spent an unhealthy amount of my time this weekend thinking about it. I'm back to writing scenes in my head, because I can't fucking wait for the episode. Just. Dying.
IKR? I don't even try writing things that aren't D/E. I also spend unhealthy amount of time talking to Alex about possible D/E scenarios for the next episode. The theories we already have could fill a book :(.
Re: Ridiculous comment, part 2dante_kentApril 3 2012, 09:02:33 UTC
While now it stands clear that the whole romantic setting is in his head. Elena has feelings for him, but not like this. No epic romance will happen in this bar.
Again, I love this. Bit by bit, you're wearing me down. ;) At this point, I think the thing that most bothers me is that Elena was checking up on Stefan, so clearly more concerned for his emotional well-being than Damon's actual physical existence. It's probably the same reason why I loved the D/E in 3x14 and hated the S/E (though I didn't actually hate the S/E in this episode, if that makes any sense). I know it's in character for Elena to care more about Stefan than she does about Damon, at least outwardly. But at a certain point seeing Elena treat Stefan like this entire season hasn't happened has become frustrating to me. But again, I'll get over it.
I also spend unhealthy amount of time talking to Alex about possible D/E scenarios for the next episode. The theories we already have could fill a book :(.
My only question: WHY have I not seen these theories???
Re: Ridiculous comment, part 2upupa_epopsApril 3 2012, 09:14:17 UTC
We spin them on AIM like it's our job and avoid posting anything about them, because it's embarassing to have an entire theory about why Damon is open-shirted :(.
Can we all agree that Damon looked phenomenally hot all strung up like that? And that he only got hotter as he got more wounded and bloodied? Tell me I'm not alone in this. It was UNBEARABLY HOT.
#beyond saving #priorities, we have them
Show, stop catering to my libido. It is terribly distracting.
And yes, a lot of it is what Elena said: these things happened to them. But some of it? Is what they made themselves into.
!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a Buffyverse quote for that. Remember when Spike got his arms cut off by an insane slayer, and after that Angel tries to give him a speech about how this girl "is just a victim"? And then Spike says: "We all were, once"? THIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!
"What he would want and what we should do are two different things."
LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I LOVED THIS QUOTE!!! Because this is Elena behaving LIKE DAMON. Fuck, this is DAMON'S live philosophy. I KNOW BETTER. I WILL VIOLATE SOMEONE'S CHOICE BECAUSE I KNOW BETTER. Elena openly tells Stefan she doesn't give a fuck about Damon's agency. In the episode in which Damon gets symbolically punished by all his violations of free will, Elena says that she would violate Damon's free will without blinking. As Rebekah victimizes Damon the way he always victimizes women, Elena wants to victimize him the way he always victimizes her. I CAN'T WITH THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!
Ughhhh Stefan doesn't punctuate his texts. It's ONE more button, Stefan, don't be lazy. #pet peeve
LOL, you must really suffer while reading my comments XD.
Why do you break my heart with flawless Bonnie thoughts?
But Damon was legitimately life-threatened today. And Elena...doesn't seem to be worried at all.
To play devil's advocate here - she does ask about Damon. She asks Stefan, makes sure Damon is ok. By the time she gets to the Boarding House, Damon has already gone to fetch Rick's stake, and she can't exactly be ridiculous and run after him to check up on him (especially since, apparently, he was feeling well enough to go to Alaric's). It makes much more sense to just wait for him to come back. I agree, perhaps there should've been at least a short interaction (though, tbh, I didn't really mind there wasn't), but if so, then it's a structure mistake, not a characterization mistake.
And now that I'm wondering... Damon HATES being a victim. He doesn't want Elena to check up on him. He brushes the whole torture thing off. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a conscious writing decision, but my shipper's mind is kind of excited about it? She knows him well enough to stay away. Knows him well enough to know that he would've prioritized Stefan over the plan to kill Klaus, and knows him well enough to not coddle him when it would only humiliate him more. (Yes, this is pure fanwank. I regret nothing.)
Alright, flist, what are we doing to cope?
Tbh, the trailer destroyed my sould, my brain and my ovaries. I am willing to do something insane. SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME!
#this comment isn't intelligent, but it has hashtags, wordiness and caps lock
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I love that Spike quote! I remember that episode quite well. Super creepy, and fucking awesome. And I love the idea that being a victim doesn't absolve what you do in the aftermath. This is why I love vampire shows (well, the good ones).
Elena openly tells Stefan she doesn't give a fuck about Damon's agency. In the episode in which Damon gets symbolically punished by all his violations of free will, Elena says that she would violate Damon's free will without blinking.
YES YES YES. Wasn't this the best? I loved that scene so much because it was Elena acting EXACTLY like Damon, making the call about someone else's fate because of how SHE feels. Maybe that's why I was so disappointed when this scene turned out to be entirely irrelevant. Elena going along with the Kill Klaus plan because it's for the greater good was just...less interesting? Not that I wanted her to run off and rescue Damon, but at least if she had talked about it a little more we could have had someone calling her out on her hypocrisy. Elena/hypocrisy = one of my many OTP's.
LOL, you must really suffer while reading my comments XD.
NEVER.
Bonnie pretty much broke me in this episode. I'm just completely in love with everything she did.
Rationally, I know that Elena wasn't quite so callous as I made her out to be. I'm sure she was sufficiently concerned about Damon's well-being and all that. My issue was that everything about Elena's involvement in Damon's predicament got dropped so summarily. Perhaps if we hadn't had that first scene with her expressing concern I would have been able to let it go and just focus on Elena being her usual Saviour of the World self, but having that scene and then seeing her be entirely detached from the rest of the plotline just jarred with me.
Damon HATES being a victim. He doesn't want Elena to check up on him. He brushes the whole torture thing off.
I do love this. I agree that Damon totally ignores the whole ordeal. His scene with Ric was so casual - he looked fine, yeah, he's alive, let's move on. That's very Damon. Torture's never really bothered him, to be honest. And I love the idea of him hiding it all from Elena, because he doesn't want her pity. But something about it all just got to me - perhaps it was that Elena was in such Concern Mode over Stefan, and it just...I don't know. I need to get over it. It wasn't that big of a deal, all things considered. But it annoyed me at the time, which surprised me, because this season has been an Olympic Trolling session for D/E, which I've taken in stride (hell, most of the time I fucking enjoyed it), but this time it just frustrated me. Who knows. I'll move on.
Tbh, the trailer destroyed my sould, my brain and my ovaries.
RIGHT? I spent an unhealthy amount of my time this weekend thinking about it. I'm back to writing scenes in my head, because I can't fucking wait for the episode. Just. Dying.
#what is an intelligent comment? #hashtags/wordiness/capslock = my OTP
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I keep wondering if there even could've been a D/E conversation after the torture without ruining the narrative power of Damon's hallucination... I mean, if they talked, Elena would have to express SOME concern. Anything. And that, together with Damon's hallucination, would actually validate at least a part of his delusions? While now it stands clear that the whole romantic setting is in his head. Elena has feelings for him, but not like this. No epic romance will happen in this bar.
RIGHT? I spent an unhealthy amount of my time this weekend thinking about it. I'm back to writing scenes in my head, because I can't fucking wait for the episode. Just. Dying.
IKR? I don't even try writing things that aren't D/E. I also spend unhealthy amount of time talking to Alex about possible D/E scenarios for the next episode. The theories we already have could fill a book :(.
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Again, I love this. Bit by bit, you're wearing me down. ;) At this point, I think the thing that most bothers me is that Elena was checking up on Stefan, so clearly more concerned for his emotional well-being than Damon's actual physical existence. It's probably the same reason why I loved the D/E in 3x14 and hated the S/E (though I didn't actually hate the S/E in this episode, if that makes any sense). I know it's in character for Elena to care more about Stefan than she does about Damon, at least outwardly. But at a certain point seeing Elena treat Stefan like this entire season hasn't happened has become frustrating to me. But again, I'll get over it.
I also spend unhealthy amount of time talking to Alex about possible D/E scenarios for the next episode. The theories we already have could fill a book :(.
My only question: WHY have I not seen these theories???
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Not embarrassing. AMAZING.
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