And somehow I would not be surprised to learn that it was the subject of massive edit wars, either. In this case, I was less interested in the historical background than the cite of the term "Ourselves alone," though.
I was so sorry for the woman who was not Michael's glove lady. To have a room full of people look at you like that could cause scars, terrible scars. ::shielding my eyes from TSCC because I haven't watched it yet::
I love what you point out about Cameron and Jessie. The parallels between them are so intriguing, and I appreciate the ways the show undercuts itself with regard to each of them, as well: we sympathize with Cameron, we like her, we think of her as a "good guy." Yet we also see how vulnerable she is in this episode--that the difference between "good guy" and "bad guy" is just a bit of faulty wiring that no one quite understands. And Jessie is coded as "bad guy"--she's cold and devious, she's got a motive that involves undermining and perhaps harming the way the Connors are doing thing. Yet it still seems entirely likely that she's also right about future John. I continue to be really impressed by the level of complexity this show consistently brings.
I appreciate the ways the show undercuts itself with regard to each of them, as well: we sympathize with Cameron, we like her, we think of her as a "good guy." Yet we also see how vulnerable she is in this episode--that the difference between "good guy" and "bad guy" is just a bit of faulty wiring that no one quite understands. And Jessie is coded as "bad guy"--she's cold and devious, she's got a motive that involves undermining and perhaps harming the way the Connors are doing thing.
Yes! I think it gets back to the show not positioning the Connors as always right. We see what they're doing, and we understand why they're doing it, and we are clearly meant to sympathize with their aspirations and fears. And yet, they make mistakes, they misread situations, they make choices that come back to haunt them, and we've also seen very good examples of those. I think one of the things I like most about the show is that while there is a really black-and-white positional villain (SkyNet), it's in the background most of the time; most of
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*shielding eyes from TSCC spoilers, since I won't watch that till tomorrow*
The whole paragraph about Kara, and Kara and Lee: YES. I've been having a hard time with Kara lately (as I get caught up); I've been having a hard time understanding her and what the show is trying to do with her, in no small part because she feels so cut off from the rest of the characters. So that moment between her and Lee was such a breath of fresh air (and eeeeeeeeeee), for lots of reasons, but one of the primary ones was that they were HAPPY, for a second there. And Lee often (these days) seems to find the perfect combination of rock-steady reassurance/faith and a real knowledge and acceptance of who Kara is. And she obviously values that enormously. And eeeeeeeeeeee I still ship them LIEK WHOA, is basically what I am saying. Hee. But it was lovely, and I watched it several times.
with more or less sobbing and paint-smearing (BILL ADAMA)HEEEE. (I also had a weird flashback to the Kara/Leoben painting dream sequence, which I suspect--I hope--was
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I've been having a hard time understanding her and what the show is trying to do with her, in no small part because she feels so cut off from the rest of the characters.
In some ways, although they're incredibly different characters, the issues I've been having with seeing inside Kara's head remind me a lot of Aeryn Sun at the beginning of Season 4. The audience isn't privy to her motivations and inner thoughts for a big chunk of time; she's a cypher, seen mostly from the outside. It's distancing. This episode felt like the "Twice Shy" moment for Kara where we finally get inside her head again.
And I just adored that it came back, in the end, to the fundamental equation between Lee and Kara--that no matter what they've been through, including her own death and resurrection, they are there for each other in the same way.
And yes, about Laura's musings about the meaning of home. I, too, am getting all nostalgic as the series draws to a close, and somehow the mirror of that in the Galactica herself has worked incredibly well for me
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Yes, about the comparison with Aeryn! That's a really good point. (I just watched Terra Firma the other night, then had to watch the end of Twice Shy, too. D'awwwww.)
And I just adored that it came back, in the end, to the fundamental equation between Lee and Kara--that no matter what they've been through, including her own death and resurrection, they are there for each other in the same way.
YES. Exactly. That's always been how I've seen them, fundamentally--that they get each other, that despite the anger and hurt in their past, there are times (increasingly more often) when it really is just incredibly simple and easy between them, when they bring each other true--and so it makes me really happy to see those moments. Particularly since basically everything else is unrelenting pain and angst. Heh. I loved seeing Kara smile like that. It's been a while
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(And here, the parallel hits another parallel that's been running for some time, between Cameron and John Henry. Catherine Weaver brings Ellison in to teach John Henry right from wrong; Cameron is actually trying to figure it out for herself. She's seen the need, where John Henry hasn't.)It's interesting to see that the machines, with some human intervention, are capable of evolving and understanding right from wrong, even if it's on the level of "John will be very upset with me if I kill this bird". And when she does accidentally kill the bird it triggers her to try and fix herself. Of course, if Cameron succeeds in her mission to protect John and, hopefully, stop the apocalypse from happening machines such as herself, with the potential to evolve, might never exist
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'm still not clear on Jesse's motives. I'm not convinced she wants to protect John or end the war. We know she's hiding a lot about herself and her future which leads me to believe there is a big part of the picture we aren't seeing yet and she could very well have a connection to Catherine or Skynet.
I think the show has created some deliberate room between what she says she's doing and what she might really be doing. She's already had one layer of hidden plans for Riley; she could well have others. Or she could be an unwitting pawn of SkyNet, if she's not working with them actively. (I sort of hope it's the former instead of the latter if they go that way, since it's more complicated.)
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not Michael's glove lady. To have a room full of people look at you like that could cause scars, terrible scars. ::shielding my eyes from TSCC because I haven't watched it yet::
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Yes! I think it gets back to the show not positioning the Connors as always right. We see what they're doing, and we understand why they're doing it, and we are clearly meant to sympathize with their aspirations and fears. And yet, they make mistakes, they misread situations, they make choices that come back to haunt them, and we've also seen very good examples of those. I think one of the things I like most about the show is that while there is a really black-and-white positional villain (SkyNet), it's in the background most of the time; most of ( ... )
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The whole paragraph about Kara, and Kara and Lee: YES. I've been having a hard time with Kara lately (as I get caught up); I've been having a hard time understanding her and what the show is trying to do with her, in no small part because she feels so cut off from the rest of the characters. So that moment between her and Lee was such a breath of fresh air (and eeeeeeeeeee), for lots of reasons, but one of the primary ones was that they were HAPPY, for a second there. And Lee often (these days) seems to find the perfect combination of rock-steady reassurance/faith and a real knowledge and acceptance of who Kara is. And she obviously values that enormously. And eeeeeeeeeeee I still ship them LIEK WHOA, is basically what I am saying. Hee. But it was lovely, and I watched it several times.
with more or less sobbing and paint-smearing (BILL ADAMA)HEEEE. (I also had a weird flashback to the Kara/Leoben painting dream sequence, which I suspect--I hope--was ( ... )
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In some ways, although they're incredibly different characters, the issues I've been having with seeing inside Kara's head remind me a lot of Aeryn Sun at the beginning of Season 4. The audience isn't privy to her motivations and inner thoughts for a big chunk of time; she's a cypher, seen mostly from the outside. It's distancing. This episode felt like the "Twice Shy" moment for Kara where we finally get inside her head again.
And I just adored that it came back, in the end, to the fundamental equation between Lee and Kara--that no matter what they've been through, including her own death and resurrection, they are there for each other in the same way.
And yes, about Laura's musings about the meaning of home. I, too, am getting all nostalgic as the series draws to a close, and somehow the mirror of that in the Galactica herself has worked incredibly well for me ( ... )
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And I just adored that it came back, in the end, to the fundamental equation between Lee and Kara--that no matter what they've been through, including her own death and resurrection, they are there for each other in the same way.
YES. Exactly. That's always been how I've seen them, fundamentally--that they get each other, that despite the anger and hurt in their past, there are times (increasingly more often) when it really is just incredibly simple and easy between them, when they bring each other true--and so it makes me really happy to see those moments. Particularly since basically everything else is unrelenting pain and angst. Heh. I loved seeing Kara smile like that. It's been a while ( ... )
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I think the show has created some deliberate room between what she says she's doing and what she might really be doing. She's already had one layer of hidden plans for Riley; she could well have others. Or she could be an unwitting pawn of SkyNet, if she's not working with them actively. (I sort of hope it's the former instead of the latter if they go that way, since it's more complicated.)
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