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Apr 04, 2005 13:04

Christos Anesti ( Read more... )

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muy_gwai April 4 2005, 18:40:29 UTC
David, you're traditionalist aren't you?

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Christos Anesti! dabaq April 4 2005, 19:39:02 UTC
What do you mean by traditionalist? There are many branches of traditionalism such as sedevacantists (which are schismatic and usually rather weird), SSPX'ists (who basically follow the SSPX mentality), people who just like the Latin Mass, people who accept Vatican II but not the Novus Ordo, people who accept neither the Novus Ordo nor Vatican II, people who accept both but don't like them, and the list goes on.

And why would my comment make you think I'm a traditionalist? Anybody, aside from flaming liberals, who has seen the facts (so that I am not misinterpreted, allow me to call to everyone's attention the all-important subordinate clause which I have just written) can come to the conclusion that our most recent Pope has harmed the Church. I ask you (in plural) to prove to me or show me what the Pope has done so wonderful for the Church because if he is to be considered a saint and/or Great he would have to have done an extraordinary job leading the Church even more than even just good Popes such as Pius XII, Pius XI etc.

God

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Re: Christos Anesti! varyalanis_adan April 6 2005, 16:14:31 UTC
I don't think that JPII can be called a "Saint" untill he would be canonized by the Church.

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Re: Christos Anesti! dabaq April 6 2005, 17:24:55 UTC
By saint I mean a saintly man, wonderful ruler of the Church, etc....

God Bless!

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Re: Christos Anesti! muy_gwai April 16 2005, 03:34:30 UTC
Let's hear your reasons to the contrary.

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Re: Christos Anesti! dabaq April 19 2005, 09:40:37 UTC
Well, I'd prefer that the other side of the debate start it out, since everyone has been praising him so much, why don't you just give some of the praiseworthy things? The thing is that if I start enumerating, I would have to make a very large list and it would take too long...

God Bless!

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Re: Christos Anesti! muy_gwai June 16 2005, 00:10:29 UTC
The thing is that if I start enumerating, I would have to make a very large list and it would take too long...

The classic stance of someone who has no argument. "I can prove my points in so many ways that I'm not even going to bother stating them."

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Re: Christos Anesti! dabaq June 16 2005, 00:34:07 UTC
No, it is the classic stance of one who is pressed for time... Give some point and I'll defend myself. His ambiguous teaching, his false ecumenism, and his supporting of liberal bishops and priests are but a few things wrong with him.

God Bless!

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