I really hate this exchange, tbh, and certainly hope we're not supposed to give Jackie's view validity. Rose has definitely changed for the better, becoming braver and willing to stand up for what's right, etc, is an improvement, and hardly "not even human.". And yes she is still Rose Tyler, the Doctor brings out the best in her as with other companions, drawing on potential that was within the companions all along. The comment asking if she'll return to Earth is fine, but not the rest...
I can see where Jackie is coming from on this. However, I think Jackie, though motherly, was thinking with only a small viewpoint. At this point, she hadn't really seen the life that Rose led, how much she and the Doctor did actually do for others.
Rose's attitude doesn't help much as she isn't articulating it too well. I do feel like she had some of the "But we do so much for others" in mind but her focus was more on "I love the Doctor so I'll stay with him forever like I said". She had built her entire being around him just as he had for her when he regenerated. She still did what she wanted (going off on her own to explore at Torchwood One) but she kept close to the Doctor and his own way of living in doing so because it's something that she found that actually fit her, not just being some shop girl
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Yeahhhh I don't really like this one, and it's one of those few times I don't really get what RTD was going for since I'm pretty sure he's said we're supposed to think Jackie has a good point. But I don't, really -- why SHOULD Rose go back to her estate when her mom's gone and there's not really anything for her to do there? What's wrong with wanting to go around helping people for the rest of her life? Why is her becoming braver, smarter, more capable, etc, a bad thing?
It's the whole "status quo" thing that parents get. You know: "get through school, go to college and become a doctor" thing that can sometimes be run on a person. I personally haven't had that put on me by my parents but I've certainly seen it in others. Mother doesn't understand why Louie wants to play in local bars and hit it big rather than spend another four years in college and get a degree that you can actually do something with. Parents can sometimes feel that because they've lived longer, they actually do know everything and are just thinking with the future and can feel that there kids are just "being young" but irresponsible. It's a point of view that can sometimes be hard to contend with but can change. I think Jackie's did eventually change but from where I stand, this (above) is where she was coming from.
I guess, but it's not like Jackie wants Rose to go, idk, go get a degree like a ~proper~ person or anything -- she's basically saying Rose should come back home and get a low-paying and unrewarding job which lol Jackie what? I get that Jackie is concerned about Rose being in danger and that it's hard for Jackie feeling "left behind", but nothing she says in this scene really connects for me in any way.
IDK, the scene wouldn't bug me so much if I didn't feel like I was supposed to think Jackie is right. But I don't think she is.
From Jackie's perspective, I always assumed she was having trouble coping with the fact her daughter didn't really need her any more. Something parents often seem to have trouble with. I don't really think they went about showing that the right way. Saying Rose wouldn't even be human suggests she really doesn't understand. Rose hadn't changed that much. She was more confident, capable, smarter etc, but no less human for all that
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I think what we're seeing here is a very common transition for a parent. Jackie has known Rose literally all of Rose's life. She's known Rose better than anyone in the world. She's under the impression that she still knows Rose better than anyone. What she's realizing is that won't always be the case, and because it's science fiction, the scenario is taken to the extreme
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Rose's attitude doesn't help much as she isn't articulating it too well. I do feel like she had some of the "But we do so much for others" in mind but her focus was more on "I love the Doctor so I'll stay with him forever like I said". She had built her entire being around him just as he had for her when he regenerated. She still did what she wanted (going off on her own to explore at Torchwood One) but she kept close to the Doctor and his own way of living in doing so because it's something that she found that actually fit her, not just being some shop girl ( ... )
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IDK, the scene wouldn't bug me so much if I didn't feel like I was supposed to think Jackie is right. But I don't think she is.
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