A Redress of Grievances (Improperly Titled)
I don't want in women's-only spaces. They're not for me. I will only speak for myself, I can't read minds (yet!)
There may have been a time when I wanted in women's-only spaces, but, I doubt I would have been comfortable with the myriad trans-exclusionary policies.
Now? Yes, I would like some men's-only spaces outside of the bathroom. No, I don't feel that desire is sexist or misogynistic because I'm not saying men's-only and no women's-only, I'm saying both and leave each other alone.
I will have a room in my house that is specific to me. It will not be an easy-access room, because, let's face it folks, everyone needs alone time and a space to have it in. Would it then be a men's-only space? Well, perhaps more accurate would be man-only or Tor-only space. Any male partner would have just as limited access as any female partner.
I think it's a double standard to expect any one people group to not have their own space, separate from everyone else. I don't think women have a right to demand entrance into "men's only space" any more than men have a right to demand entrance into "women's only space." More pertinent perhaps is the question, why do you want in?
Women's-only space won't discuss men's issues as they pertain to men, thus rendering them useless to me. Men's-only space won't discuss women's issues as they pertain to women, so why would a woman bother trying to get in?
AND WHY THE GODDAMNED FLAME WAR IN TWO SEPARATE COMMS OVER THIS ISSUE?!?!?!?!
Especially when that's not really what appeared to be the original issue. I whole hearted-ly disagree with the notion of trans-exclusion from any men's or women's only space. I find the exclusion of one gender or another to be pertinent to the sanctity of that space, but, also, I don't understand why the excluded gender would be miffed at such exclusion or demand a redress of grievances and entrance to said space.
This isn't my battle. It's not going to be my battle, because it seems like a cut-and-dried issue to me. Any woman/female-identified person in women's space and any man/male-identified person in men's space. Check your privilege and your bias at the door. And wipe your feet on the mat.
There may have been a time when I wanted in women's-only spaces, but, I doubt I would have been comfortable with the myriad trans-exclusionary policies.
Now? Yes, I would like some men's-only spaces outside of the bathroom. No, I don't feel that desire is sexist or misogynistic because I'm not saying men's-only and no women's-only, I'm saying both and leave each other alone.
I will have a room in my house that is specific to me. It will not be an easy-access room, because, let's face it folks, everyone needs alone time and a space to have it in. Would it then be a men's-only space? Well, perhaps more accurate would be man-only or Tor-only space. Any male partner would have just as limited access as any female partner.
I think it's a double standard to expect any one people group to not have their own space, separate from everyone else. I don't think women have a right to demand entrance into "men's only space" any more than men have a right to demand entrance into "women's only space." More pertinent perhaps is the question, why do you want in?
Women's-only space won't discuss men's issues as they pertain to men, thus rendering them useless to me. Men's-only space won't discuss women's issues as they pertain to women, so why would a woman bother trying to get in?
AND WHY THE GODDAMNED FLAME WAR IN TWO SEPARATE COMMS OVER THIS ISSUE?!?!?!?!
Especially when that's not really what appeared to be the original issue. I whole hearted-ly disagree with the notion of trans-exclusion from any men's or women's only space. I find the exclusion of one gender or another to be pertinent to the sanctity of that space, but, also, I don't understand why the excluded gender would be miffed at such exclusion or demand a redress of grievances and entrance to said space.
This isn't my battle. It's not going to be my battle, because it seems like a cut-and-dried issue to me. Any woman/female-identified person in women's space and any man/male-identified person in men's space. Check your privilege and your bias at the door. And wipe your feet on the mat.