THIS IS WHY ONLY THE MANGA AND THE DUB ORIGINAL ANIME ARE MY CANONS. Yeah the dub - I actually found the major shifts on some of the characterizations (outside of Kaiba, but I only really love him in the manga) interesting. The characters are different enough so I can do different things with them.
The worst part is, as bad as I made it sound, it was so much worse! Because when Aki was first introduced, it seemed like she was going to be a stone cold bad-ass. Her introduction consisted of blowing shit up for great justice!
But no, it turns out that she has no ideas in her head that weren't first put there by her father figure. Way to go writers, you certainly know how to write them women folk!
So yeah, the original manga wins all over the place. And what are some of the things that you like to do with the dub characters that you don't do with the manga versions, if I may ask?
I mean, if you look at it scientifically, with numbers and equations and stuff, 5D's is 17 times worse then GX, because it kept promising to be awesome and interesting and different, and it just keeps being the same tedious shonen BS that disgraces the name of Yugioh.
I swear, Takahashi must be spending his royalties on all the drinks that he can get from what's been done to his story.
NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1a_white_rainJune 4 2009, 03:21:56 UTC
Now YGO is one of my favorite stories evvvvver. It's themes and the way that Takahashi without a doubt has influenced how I write friendship myself. And I love the ladiez. So if there wasn't something within some of his girls, I wouldn't like it so much. I'm only going to talk about the four main ones (I'm not familiar enough with the AE arc to talk about Mana and priest!Isis).
All the girls have a problem not having strong relationships with one another. Which is one thing I did like in the anime - Mai and Shizuka and Anzu and Shizuka were adorable together and there were several slashy scenes between all four of 'em. And I found Rebecca profoundly likable and believable eight year old in the fillers. And Anzu being jealous of her touching her man are some of my favorite Anzu/Yuugi moments in the anime.
Shizuka: It's true that she's very stereotypical in some senses. However, sometime I think people underestimate her strength. Jounouchi drive strength from her not just because she desires to protect her but because of the amount of
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Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1cypsiman2June 4 2009, 03:25:29 UTC
I will give the anime credit for giving more scenes with the ladies hanging together apart from the boys. Now if we can just excise the parts of DOMA that didn't involve Rebecca...
Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1a_white_rainJune 4 2009, 04:15:02 UTC
I think DOMA could have been good with lots of rewrites. And Mai would be less cringe-worthy if the anime decided to explore some PDSS in all of the characters.
Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1cypsiman2June 4 2009, 04:16:44 UTC
Like I mentioned before, if Jounouchi doesn't get PDSS from being burned alive by Ra, then Mai isn't going to get it from a bunch of scorpions...I'm sorry, SAND!
NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 2a_white_rainJune 4 2009, 03:32:57 UTC
Mai: There are many things to pick apart on showing vs. telling. However we did get to see her easily beat at least one duelist in Duelist Kingdom. When it came to the Player Killer - Yami no Yuugi pointed out he was being unfair by taking someone by surprise in the middle of the night. And as a woman, I also felt a bit for Mai because I can imagine she may have thought she was about to be sexually assaulted
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Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 2cypsiman2June 4 2009, 03:41:22 UTC
Yes, Mai's duel with YnY was double plus awesome, especially since YnY is all "Okay, I'm going to focus and win now!"...then he continues to get his ass kicked for a while, and then declares "Okay, seriously, this time I'm going to win!". The second time connected, but the point is that Mai made YnY EARN that victory, which puts her well ahead of a lot of the other duelists that YnY had faced along the way. *See Exodia dude at the start of Battle City. Not exactly a challenge for our lady of the Harpies and amazons.*
Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 2a_white_rainJune 4 2009, 03:47:30 UTC
Most Atemu and Yuugi's duels aren't about becoming better duelists - that's what Jounouchi is for. They get development in other ways. Mai is probably one of the few duels that YnY actually had to struggle as much as Jounouchi does to get better. Saving the world duels have different focuses, and even then he wasn't ever quite rattled the same way.
I think it was because it wasn't quite a life-or-death thing. Yeah, if Mai won, YnY would have lost a chance to duel Pegasus (but there could have still been other ways to do so) so the focus was different. This wasn't life or death or fighting for other people, but it was actually about YnY. It wasn't even much about Yuugi at all - Jounouchi had already snapped Yuugi out of his daze.
Isis: There were some problems with showing vs telling here too, but well there are some plot constraints here. He could and maybe should have built it up differently or maybe added another arc that wasn't sucky between Battle City and AE arc to showcase Mai and Isis any other female character he decided to make
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Yes, Agency! As far as I'm concerned, agency is the most important thing for a character to have, otherwise all you have is a living prop. And Isis had plenty of that, I tell you what.
Anzu: Like Isis, Anzu isn't a duelist. She plays some games from time to time and even Duel Monsters, but gaming isn't really her thing. Her thing is dancing. Which the text not only acknowledges, but also respects by using it in a rather important manner. Which is the fact that Anzu knowing what she wants and making a choice to go after it, even though she knows it will be hard was the thing that got YnY realize that he needed to do what was in his heart. And since I'd argue the crux of his development was for him to realize who he was as a person and not just The Other Yuugi, I'd say that's a pretty big deal
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Yes! My personal favorite moments of Anzu shall forever be the scene in my icon, and the next day where she tells off freaking SETO KAIBA, who had previously called in the mob to get what he wanted, because he dared to call Yuugi weak. Oh, and can't forget hitting zombie professor with a globe to save Jounouchi. And blowing up monsters all over the place and getting the finishing blow in the Monster World RPG. And the dancing match with Johnny Steps...I could go on, I realize, but point is, Anzu is a fully realized character, and the series is better for it.
I'm not sure my favorite moment for her, because I love her so much in so many scenes. I think my favorite Yuugi and Anzu moment was when she was fixing him up the day before dueling Pegasus and seemed a little shocked that Yuugi wanted to be stronger to protect her. Anzu often pushes Yuugi not to be so shy and teases him about being kinda a wimp in some areas - but she knows he's strong in the places that matter and that's why she loves him so much.
I also like that she's not girly at all but likes wearing skirts. It's just a little interesting quirk I found adorable.
Well, it wasn't just to protect her, he also said that he "wasn't going to lose to the other him." But yeah, when she can get Yuugi to acknowledge how strong he really is, that's when she really loves him.
And hey, if real men wear pink, then real women wear dresses! Or skirts...or something.
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But no, it turns out that she has no ideas in her head that weren't first put there by her father figure. Way to go writers, you certainly know how to write them women folk!
So yeah, the original manga wins all over the place. And what are some of the things that you like to do with the dub characters that you don't do with the manga versions, if I may ask?
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I'll get to that when I'm done with talking about the YGO ladiez.
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I swear, Takahashi must be spending his royalties on all the drinks that he can get from what's been done to his story.
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All the girls have a problem not having strong relationships with one another. Which is one thing I did like in the anime - Mai and Shizuka and Anzu and Shizuka were adorable together and there were several slashy scenes between all four of 'em. And I found Rebecca profoundly likable and believable eight year old in the fillers. And Anzu being jealous of her touching her man are some of my favorite Anzu/Yuugi moments in the anime.
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In other news, I look forward to part 2!
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I think it was because it wasn't quite a life-or-death thing. Yeah, if Mai won, YnY would have lost a chance to duel Pegasus (but there could have still been other ways to do so) so the focus was different. This wasn't life or death or fighting for other people, but it was actually about YnY. It wasn't even much about Yuugi at all - Jounouchi had already snapped Yuugi out of his daze.
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I also like that she's not girly at all but likes wearing skirts. It's just a little interesting quirk I found adorable.
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And hey, if real men wear pink, then real women wear dresses! Or skirts...or something.
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