Comments | cuteek8: a long weekend

cuteek8

a long weekend

Apr 17, 2005 23:14

well i finally got some sleep today. it was great! saw sin city last night with eric, the cinematography was cool but the moive was, ehh ok. not really my type of movie i guess, but the amount of symbolism was a bit overwhelming. there's gonna be volumes of criticism written on this one ( Read more... )

Leave a comment

Back to all threads

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 22 2005, 21:25:09 UTC

he only joined when it became mandatory...i'd like to see the evidence on the number of people who refused to join the hitler youth once it became mandatory, i read hitler's willing executioners and the rise and fall of the third reich...as i said i am a hardcore atheist to the bone but it's a cheap shot to call him a nazi (a bastard who was the last pope'e ideological strongman and enforcer, sure, a bastard who did not speak out against Cardinal Law when he was shifting around pedophiles, sure a bastard who will do nothing for women or gays...)...but a nazi is just a cheap backhanded shot that reduces the person amking the shot to submoron level..there is SO MUCH more to be said about this man...

sure...in 2005 as a teen i doubt you would have joined the hitler youth...however, and i think it was tocqueville who made this argument, it is unfair to compare historical conditions in 2005 to how they were in 1939....that's like me saying if i were alive in 1860 i would not have joined the calvary to hunt down indians...you can't speak to how you'd behave if you had grown up in a completely different historical circumstance with a completely different zeitgeist...and i didn't join the church either...but if they had dragged my family off in the night to execute them in front of me for not joining i might have joined

here's some research right off the top of my head....

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7576505/

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Local-Jews-dismiss-Popes-Nazi-link/2005/04/20/1113854233152.html?oneclick=true

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 22 2005, 21:31:00 UTC

BTW if you are into anarcho stuff check out Rudolf Rocker and Murray Bookchin...i'm more of an Alexander Berkman guy myself, though, even though all the hepcats seem to go for Chomsky....

Re: rope-a-pope fashion_slut April 25 2005, 15:42:17 UTC

i am not into syndical stuff, thanks though. i would just like to make it a point that i do agree he is evil for other reasons:

ie- being a pope in general (that certainly does suggest a few things.
etc etc etc.

ps you could die for a cause you don't believe in or resist and die for what you do.

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 25 2005, 15:47:44 UTC

that's true....the anarcho-syndicalism stuff gets me after a while...i like bookchin, but i am veering away from anarchism now...the argument is like to use is watch what happens at a 4 way intersection when the signal is out...if people cannot even negotiate traffic without ramming into each other in the absence of a signal how the hell can they get through daily life without some sort of big daddy controlling force? that's just a quickie, though, i have much more to say on this...

Re: rope-a-pope fashion_slut April 25 2005, 15:52:30 UTC

i don't necessarily agree with that.

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 25 2005, 15:56:38 UTC

i wouldn't expect you to agree or disagree at this point....i only blurbed out a quick notion...like i said i am pretty deep on anarchist stuff and don't mind discussing it at all...

Re: rope-a-pope jeremysavage April 25 2005, 16:43:44 UTC

if people knew that it was supposed to be treated as a 4 way stop sign, you wouldnt have any problems. You can still have "rules" and guidelines without being authoritarian.

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 25 2005, 16:47:35 UTC

well...i sure hope so...but having actually been a transportation planner for years i can say that it doesn't happen...

"You can still have "rules" and guidelines without being authoritarian'

well...so long as people agree to follow them we'll all be fine....

Re: rope-a-pope jeremysavage April 25 2005, 16:52:17 UTC

if you were living in an anarchist society, different areas would have different rules, in which the people lived would abide by. if they didnt like them, they could move somewhere else or try to change them.

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 25 2005, 16:57:14 UTC

i know...i've probably read all the same books you have and i know the answers to the questions before i ask them...i don't see the point in debating something like this, but just for fun:

1) you say: "different areas would have different rules, in which the people lived would abide by" how do you know they would abide the law if the law isn't being abided by now? what guarantees people will follow the rules? isn't this all based on the assumption that man is inherently good and honest (and i know bakunin claims the state makes man evil....)

2)"if they didnt like them, they could move somewhere else or try to change them." sort of a love it or leave it deal? how would people change the rules?

Re: rope-a-pope jeremysavage April 25 2005, 17:18:20 UTC

1. If people wanted to live in an anarchist society, they would do it on their own free will. Now Im pretty sure majority of the people would be living there because they know and understand how anarchism works and would work towards making it work, thus following the agreed upon rules... which leaves us to:

2. Since an anarchist soceity would rely on people activly taking part in how things work, thus going to meetings and such, it would, id like to think(but I also know how tedious anarchist meetings are), be easier to bring up discussion about a rule to have it changed or abolished. Now this all depends on how the particular area decides to establish the process. Is it total consensus, majority rule? combo of both?

Re: rope-a-pope jeremysavage April 25 2005, 17:19:48 UTC

pardon my lack of spell check

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 25 2005, 17:23:16 UTC

i have no problem with anarchist communes at all....i don't personally want to live on one, but i respect the rights of wishes of people who do....so it's all based on the Social Contract Theory then...well here's hoping that it works...

i used to go to those deals myself...we have a coffeehouse (i mean coffeehaus) here than fancies itself a commune or a collective or whatever...like i said i respect their wishes but i don't want to be a part of it...and i guess that's sort of the point isn't it: respecting the wishes and freedoms of others...one problem with the commune theory as i see it is that it also relies on the idea that all the cities and towns around the commune will let them live in peace and harmony....

Re: rope-a-pope jeremysavage April 25 2005, 17:29:51 UTC

it c/would be applied to cities and towns as well, not just some farm commune. still, im pretty sure most towns and such would have very similar rules and some sort of structure to respect other towns rules. if they were to travel through.

I dunno.

Re: rope-a-pope lotionboy April 25 2005, 17:16:39 UTC

one very good, and in many ways oversimplified book on the subject is Berkman's The A-B-C's of Anarchism which came out in 1929 or so...it's probably way out of print by now but i have a copy...pretty good stuff....

Re: rope-a-pope jeremysavage April 25 2005, 17:19:07 UTC

AK press distros it.

Back to all threads