Since I'm awak...wankleOctober 30 2008, 09:55:27 UTC
Few things... the term "Partial Birth Abortion" and the description you give are intentionally inflammatory. There's a medical term for the procedure, which has been ignored by abortion opponents because the one you use sounds much more shocking.
Obama supports limits on late-term abortions, like this procedure.
Taking his single vote against a ban on this while ignoring *why* he voted against it is unfair. He did not vote no on the ban because he condones the procedure. He voted no because of other things that the bill contained, specifically, an exception for the mothers health. A no vote on the ban is NOT a yes vote on the procedure across the board.
It comes down to this: Would you vote to ban this procedure in all cases, even when it meant saving the life of the mother? Would you vote for a law that prevented a woman from having an abortion when it would result in her death
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Re: Since I'm awak...moonrockOctober 30 2008, 15:58:21 UTC
This is exactly what I wanted to say as well.
It isn't like us pro-choicers are out there rooting for and running out to get abortions. Of course it isn't a pretty thing. I doubt that there is a single woman out there who wants to have to get an abortion. But as Joe said, this description is inflammatory and misleading. There are reasons for late-term abortions to have to be done and it isn't just because the woman decides she just doesn't want to have a kid.
Re: Since I'm awak...cusackamOctober 30 2008, 16:19:14 UTC
Well it isn't the ONLY reason why I won't vote for him. I understand there is always something else tied to something that can make someone look bad. I am absolutely pro-life though so he won't get my vote.
My not voting for Obama however does NOT mean that I support McCain either which is always an assumption.
When everyone as a culture supports that baby by providing adequate healthcare for the Mother and child pre and post-natal, providing proper support for the Mother, providing a good education and not just leaving them out in the cold and electing people who cut the proper spending/programs to assist people in need - then maybe just maybe I can take people seriously when they talk about supporting a culture of life. The fact of the matter is that we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world.
And if you want to look at the records of the Dems and GOP of the past thirty some years. The Dems have done more for the pro-life movement by providing welfare, WIC, Headstart, and healthcare to pregnant women and young families. The GOP? Not so much.
Re: talking politics.cusackamOctober 30 2008, 16:20:52 UTC
The system is definitely broken but I can't vote for someone so absolutely pro-choice. I don't believe he is necessarily going to "fix" things either but we shall see.
I was just killing time and saw your post and I wanted to say something because I see a lot of people giving this as a reason not to vote for Obama. If you are pro-life and you want to vote on that single issue that is fine. I just wanted to say that Obama voted the way he did on those bills to protect abortion rights because he is pro-choice. He also wants to protect the mother in cases where her own life is in danger. He feared the bills were a backdoor attempt to attack abortion rights. The bills stated that if the fetus showed any vital signs outside of the mother it was a human life. Obama wanted stronger wording that gave protection to Roe vs Wade in the bills. There is already a law on the books that would protect a child born alive from a failed abortion. I wish everything was clearly black and white, but it's not
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Reduce the number maybe but he will never do away with abortion completely. As I am completely pro-life I can not support someone so extremely pro-choice as Obama.
I guess I should clarify that that is not the SINGLE reason I will not vote for him. My husband is in the Army and there are a lot of issues surrounding that plus a multitude of other things that will prevent me from ever voting for him.
I am glad you're pro life!
anonymous
November 5 2008, 01:27:12 UTC
But unfortunately I don't think any of the current running politicians are going to change our abortion laws. I think the damage is done. I consider abortion a moral issue. All life is precious and I don't believe it's up to humans to decide who lives and who dies. I therefore don't believe in a law that gives humanity that choice. I think ALL abortion should be banned. I don’t care about the method. I think EVERY method is morally wrong.
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Obama supports limits on late-term abortions, like this procedure.
Taking his single vote against a ban on this while ignoring *why* he voted against it is unfair. He did not vote no on the ban because he condones the procedure. He voted no because of other things that the bill contained, specifically, an exception for the mothers health. A no vote on the ban is NOT a yes vote on the procedure across the board.
It comes down to this: Would you vote to ban this procedure in all cases, even when it meant saving the life of the mother? Would you vote for a law that prevented a woman from having an abortion when it would result in her death ( ... )
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It isn't like us pro-choicers are out there rooting for and running out to get abortions. Of course it isn't a pretty thing. I doubt that there is a single woman out there who wants to have to get an abortion. But as Joe said, this description is inflammatory and misleading. There are reasons for late-term abortions to have to be done and it isn't just because the woman decides she just doesn't want to have a kid.
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My not voting for Obama however does NOT mean that I support McCain either which is always an assumption.
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A description from Wikipedia of the technical term for partial birth abortions
I could only read part of that before I started getting nauseated.
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When everyone as a culture supports that baby by providing adequate healthcare for the Mother and child pre and post-natal, providing proper support for the Mother, providing a good education and not just leaving them out in the cold and electing people who cut the proper spending/programs to assist people in need - then maybe just maybe I can take people seriously when they talk about supporting a culture of life. The fact of the matter is that we have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world.
And if you want to look at the records of the Dems and GOP of the past thirty some years. The Dems have done more for the pro-life movement by providing welfare, WIC, Headstart, and healthcare to pregnant women and young families. The GOP? Not so much.
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I guess I should clarify that that is not the SINGLE reason I will not vote for him. My husband is in the Army and there are a lot of issues surrounding that plus a multitude of other things that will prevent me from ever voting for him.
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I consider abortion a moral issue. All life is precious and I don't believe it's up to humans to decide who lives and who dies. I therefore don't believe in a law that gives humanity that choice.
I think ALL abortion should be banned. I don’t care about the method. I think EVERY method is morally wrong.
Thank you for letting me share my opinion!
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