Most of my explanations is for if someone in my family happen to find a random slash PWP and I'm going "Um..." XD For my law enforcement I would explain that I'm doing the same as other authors and honing my skill by writing my Harry/Sirius PWP. Why it is sexual? Well I am trying to show that regardless of age people can still find love. I know that was weak, but I'll probably tweak it as I go along. XD
I suppose it is because technically these are our characters, but it's something that has happened since the very first novel. Now that we have the internet we put names to things like Rule 34 or 63 and all the others. I'm sure if I was to published something one day that there will be a random picture of Character A and B doing the nasty so I know it's copyright infringement, but I'm not saying it's mine or trying to get it published.
I want to do that so much to Anne Rice and other authors who speak out against it just to troll. XD I always want to ask them how did they hone their craft. Did they make up silly stories? Or did they see an idea and go "I can take this and change it." Because every idea is really a reconstruct of something out there that was created either recently or long ago. Well that's my view XD
Exactly! For a long time, culture was built on sharing stories without copyright attached. It's how lots of classics were created, including a whole lot of Disney movies. That we've commodified everything to an extent that culture has been packaged and sold via copyright doesn't really change human nature at all.
I think what irritates me most about the anti-fandom authors is that they seem to dismiss the creativity of their fans. I know a few authors who'll admit they started their careers in fandom, and while copyright restrictions mean they can't acknowledge the things they've written -- or the things people in their fandoms write -- I'm sure the anti- authors don't represent all of publishing. And I think the attitude is going to change. I mean, we're living in a remix world, right?
*squish* Your view is awesome. Thanks so much for sharing. ♥
Yeah, but how many of those creators are doing the dismissing precisely because of the creativity of their fans? I.E., a perceived "ACK, they're better than me!" (I can name a couple of ficcers who bypass JKR, IMO - not in world-building or creating characters, etc., but in style and ability to write.)
Most fans I've known would happily give due credit to the creator(s) of the stuff they fanficced, if they were ever published with their own original stuff, as a thank-you, and would not outright steal from them, even if they used "inspiration." But all it takes is one shit like Cassandra Claire to put everybody off their plagiarism, you know. ;-)
I suspect that's part of it, at least for some of them. Laurell K Hamilton, definitely. I suspect there's some degree of it with Anne Rice, too. They see fandom as inherent criticism and fanworks as competition, I think, instead of seeing it as the product of fannish love.
Of course, not every fanwork is a labour of fannish love. I mean, my CotBP stuff is, for sure, but anything AWE-related? No way. Same with any HP stuff after HBP.
You're probably right about crediting for inspiration, but last time I checked, getting fiction published meant getting a formal copyright on your work, which means promising you aren't violating someone else's copyright. As it was explained to me, that means taking down the fic and not officially acknowledging fannish roots, although that might have changed in the past few years.
Well, Laurell K. should see it as a criticism. Her brains were replaced by her crotch several books ago in that series. Grr.
Um, as I understand, a copyright protects those characters in those situations and settings. That's all. The same characters can be used in other, paid works (I direct you to the million-and-nine Holmes pastiches on the market - notably Carole Nelson Douglas and Laurie R. King, for modern writers), though I don't know what the process is to get that permission or to wait on a copyright expiration. On the other hand, if you want to tell a story and want to duck copyright problems on a very alive, current, copyrighted author, all you have to do is go Fifty Shades of Gray on their ass and voila! You get a movie deal. ;-)
I suppose it is because technically these are our characters, but it's something that has happened since the very first novel. Now that we have the internet we put names to things like Rule 34 or 63 and all the others. I'm sure if I was to published something one day that there will be a random picture of Character A and B doing the nasty so I know it's copyright infringement, but I'm not saying it's mine or trying to get it published.
I want to do that so much to Anne Rice and other authors who speak out against it just to troll. XD I always want to ask them how did they hone their craft. Did they make up silly stories? Or did they see an idea and go "I can take this and change it." Because every idea is really a reconstruct of something out there that was created either recently or long ago. Well that's my view XD
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I think what irritates me most about the anti-fandom authors is that they seem to dismiss the creativity of their fans. I know a few authors who'll admit they started their careers in fandom, and while copyright restrictions mean they can't acknowledge the things they've written -- or the things people in their fandoms write -- I'm sure the anti- authors don't represent all of publishing. And I think the attitude is going to change. I mean, we're living in a remix world, right?
*squish* Your view is awesome. Thanks so much for sharing. ♥
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Most fans I've known would happily give due credit to the creator(s) of the stuff they fanficced, if they were ever published with their own original stuff, as a thank-you, and would not outright steal from them, even if they used "inspiration." But all it takes is one shit like Cassandra Claire to put everybody off their plagiarism, you know. ;-)
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Of course, not every fanwork is a labour of fannish love. I mean, my CotBP stuff is, for sure, but anything AWE-related? No way. Same with any HP stuff after HBP.
You're probably right about crediting for inspiration, but last time I checked, getting fiction published meant getting a formal copyright on your work, which means promising you aren't violating someone else's copyright. As it was explained to me, that means taking down the fic and not officially acknowledging fannish roots, although that might have changed in the past few years.
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Um, as I understand, a copyright protects those characters in those situations and settings. That's all. The same characters can be used in other, paid works (I direct you to the million-and-nine Holmes pastiches on the market - notably Carole Nelson Douglas and Laurie R. King, for modern writers), though I don't know what the process is to get that permission or to wait on a copyright expiration. On the other hand, if you want to tell a story and want to duck copyright problems on a very alive, current, copyrighted author, all you have to do is go Fifty Shades of Gray on their ass and voila! You get a movie deal. ;-)
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