Banning same-sex parenting

[curiouslyadrift]

Via dailykos, I came across some interesting soon-to-be-proposed legislation. (pdfIndiana lawmakers plan to propose a bill that will limit any sort of artificial reproduction to married couples only. It requires that a gestational certificate be presented in order to receive sperm from a donor or in vitro fertilization or what-have-you. Only

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[frankmancini]

Actually, no. Your antichoice rhetoric is clearly untrue.

Oh "vasectomies affect testosterone levels?" Do you know what abortions can do to a woman? That they effect being able to get prego in the future. Hormones, Phsychology, it's just as bad if not worse

This has been a highly researched concept for many years, especially with the advent of the women's movement in the lat 1960's/early 70's. Abortions do NOT cause significant "phsychology" psychological or emotional turmoil for women that choose to have an abortion. Abortions performed in safe, legal, medical facilities do not affect future fertility in any way, shape or form. The ONLY possibility of an abortion affecting future fertility would be a massive uterine infection that was never treated. No woman has ever died from an aboriton, and less that one tenth of one percent of women have experienced infections due to an abortion.

I have had an abortion, and I had it for several reasons. It also should be noted that I was on birth control at the time I bacame pregnant. I am proud of my decision to help keep every child wanted, safe and happy, rather than contirbute to neglect, child abuse and poverty. I have experienced no psychological problems or fertility issues.

You are clearly poorly educated on the issue that you choose to bitch about, so I suggest you try to do some light reading on the subject. I understand the pro-life persepctive and I respect it tremendously. However, if you do choose to argue it, try to get your facts from a viable source, rather than militant pro-life radicals that claim all sorts of things.

[ameoblah77]

I have read. I have had friends who have had abortions. I don't listen to radical pro-lifers. "Poorly educated" thanks for the judgement. I could surly say the same things about you and your research and your education. Like I said this argument is simply arbitrary. Thanks for adding to my point that these two types of viewpoints can never really reach a common ground.

[frankmancini]

Okay. Please provide me accurate, unbiased links to research that supports your claim of "psychological" and "fertility" problems in women who have had abortions. I speculate that you will have a tough time providing me with this type of research, as none exists. I am quite educated in general, and very highly educated regarding politics and policy issues considering that it is what I devote all day, every day to. And to reiterate my point: I understand antichoice viewpoints completely with regards to medical evidence, though I feel that legislating personal beliefs is foolish and antidemocratic. For example, I would like to pass a law that requires who is a short-sighted, underinformed asshole to be beaten, but that is just my PERSONAL opinion and it would be foolish and unethical and antidemocratic to pass such a law. Get my drift?

p.s. sorry curiouslyadrift for starting a shitty abortion lj drama in your journal! i won't blame ya if you decide to delete the whole thing.

[ameoblah77]

I don't give a shit about proving abortion issues to you. That's not even about what I was saying in the first place. I'm not here to change your mind or anybodies about what they think or feel about the whole. Calling someone stupid and attacking them is a great way to win them over to your views, let me tell you. . . I never wanted to get into a convo about yes or no to the abortion bit. I'm simply stating I'm sick of the debate as it has no good solution for either parties. It's like watching a bunch of children scream at each other. This whole time you have only tried to proove your case which is idiotic (I'll never think like you do nor you I.) You have shown only that you get defensive over the issue ignoring that you could add something to the pot that is worthwhile. Stop making it a case over if it's ok or not and try to make a case of solving the issue for some peace for all parties involved. Oh wait your too stuck in the emotions and your own view to ever get that far! Am I right? If people would put all that energy in finding something that will work maybe clinics wouldn't get bombed and abortions wouldn't be neccesary. You can't change my mind nor can I yours so stop trying and go do something for peace instead of being part of the problem. Can you hear me now?

[frankmancini]

I'm not attacking you, nor am I trying to "proove" my case or change anyone's mind. I don't want to change anyone's mind, especially regarding a highly devisive issue such as abortion. I'm simply asking you to back up your outrageous claims (that women who choose to have an abortion suffer from psychological and fertility problems because of their choice) with some unbiased evidence. That's how you can make claims and be credible and make points, rather than sounding like an underinformed, offending moron.

[ameoblah77]

"that women who choose to have an abortion suffer from psychological and fertility problems because of their choice"

Did I say every women has these problems? Um, no. I don't think everyone's abortion experience was as peachy keen as yours. In fact, I know they're not. I may sound like an underinformed moron to you but remember when you point your finger you got three pointing right back at you.