From what I can tell this place has been here for years. And with the variety of people who are brought to the village, it can be assumed most direct methods have already been tried and tested. [He's ruling out that attacking the barrier with just about ANYTHING is going to work.]
But what I know for certain is physical. Magical powers are something that has also likely been tried. I say this because I have personally spoken to multiple people who have magical capabilities.
I agree with that, even without gathering information it's pretty easy and logical to assume that anything aimed to attack the barrier has been tried and failed. But I had the hope that other ways had been used as well, or that some study about the barrier itself had been made.
I can't seem to find even a proper explanation of what it is. "Energy barrier" can mean many things after all.
Well if it helps I think the barrier is some sort of sphere. So of course digging or any other similar methods won't work.
I think the problem is that it's hard to tell what exactly it IS. Who's to say it's even an energy barrier? It could be some kind of cloaked material for all we know.
That's true, but if it's a cloaked material then there should be a system to proportionate breathable air to the area. Even with all the trees we have at the forest a completely closed area would end leading to lack of breathable air, it would take a long time with the trees here of course but it's still risky.
I lean towards the idea of an energy barrier because both in practice and theory they are the best ones for keeping a target trapped and not condemn it to asphyxia without having to take risks creating overtures for the air to go through.
Yes, that is correct if we were to work under the assumption that photosynthesis works in a similar fashion here as it would on Earth. Or that the material they've used couldn't somehow be capable of allowing oxygen through.
And that is one of the hassles of this place. It's hard to legitimately dispel or negate any theories because there is a lack of efficient evidence. We don't know who they are, what they're capable of. Things that could apply from our world could work differently here. Someone could say the Malnosso are really fat hamsters playing chess, and who could really argue it?
I'm not saying theorizing is a waste of time. I just don't want to rule anything out yet.
If it's a material capable of allowing oxygen through, then a huge blast of air of enough power to surpass its capacity should be sufficient to break it, don't you think?
I don't think it's really a hassle, sure as a scientist I find annoying not be able to check my theories right away... But in the ancient times scientists weren't able to do so either. The first man who theorized that the moon moved around Earth wasn't able to back it with evidence and it wasn't until years later that said evidence was provided. Until then people could have been thinking that the moon and the stars were simply painted on a large blanket that covered the sky when night came.
Without evidence nor the means to check it no one could say it wasn't true.
So we're in a similar situation as the first man who claimed that the Moon moved around the Earth and that the Earth moved around the sun. We can form theories and try to prove them, but even if we can't maybe in the future someone will take our theories again and finally prove them.
I... don't think our situation is very similar. The problem with that theory is that that man's environment wasn't capable of being so easily altered by an outside source. The moon and sun we see here really could be a blanket. The only thing anyone really knows about this place is usually bare minimum, and what the Malnosso tells them. That's a major problem as far as any theory is concerned. [Well. There might be a few other outside sources too, but he's not going to mention them over the network.]Even passing theories is something that could be a hassle. Most residents from what I've seen have adapted to this environment. They're not actively theorizing. And even if I'm wrong and they are, what are we going to do, ask over the journals? "Anyone wanna have some conspiracy theories? Come over to Community House 3, apartment #10. Bring popcorn
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When have I said that we should rule anything out? Aren't you the one ruling something very important out just from the start? You talk as if the fact that people have been trapped here for so long means that there's nothing that can be done. So what if their technology may be ages beyond us? Or if they can use magic or some sort of crazy powers? That doesn't mean there can't be a way to fight back, our only problem is lack of information, but as far as I can tell right now it could just be an apparent lack of information.
I'm sorry. I lost my temper. I'm not saying there's no way to escape. All I'm saying is that we're new. Things are probably a lot more complicated then they seem.
I never said it wasn't complicated. Actually I would be disappointed if they weren't, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to sit and do nothing.
You're right, I'm new, that's why I'm asking. Of course the logical idea is that everyone has tried all in their hands to get through the barrier, but just because it's the logical idea it doesn't mean it's the correct one. Actually seeing the answers I've got so far it's as if people don't even bother with it.
[It's annoying, very annoying. She can understand that there's a point in which all one can do is effectively just sit and wait, she has reached that point several times and some of them were in situations in which what she was waiting for was either a miracle or a sure death. But she's new, she herself hasn't reached that point. If no one even bothers to try to dissuade her with actual facts other than someone else who seems to be new as well and just hangs on the "if they are still here it must be very complicated" argument, how is she supposed to be okay with sitting and waiting
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Well... look where they are. These people are in the equivalent of a civilized torture chamber. Their friends, family, loved ones. They could be taken from them in an instant whenever the Malnosso feel like it to be subjected to God knows what. I'm sure a good percentage of the village have even experienced these kidnappings first hand.
Not clinging to hope until there's definite proof is probably their way of trying to cope and hold onto whatever sanity they still have left. That doesn't make it right, but that's how it looks like to me.
Hmm, I suppose that makes sense. But how are we supposed to find definite proof that there can be hope if we don't even look for it? And for that we certainly need to hope that there is some hope somewhere.
I'm not trying to justify their way of thinking, just better understand it I guess. Most of these people probably haven't had much experience when it comes to a situation that's as mentally exhausting as this one, so it's possible they're not thinking logically to begin with.
I know a lot of people who wouldn't think logically even if their life depended on that. But not even once have I see them just sit down and hug their legs and do nothing when in an apparently hopeless situation. In fact it's the ones who don't think logically the ones who keep insisting on it when the others give up and decide to just wait and do nothing because it's hopeless.
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Physical action is always the first one to be taken, so it doesn't surprise me. Is that the only way of action that has been attempted?
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But what I know for certain is physical. Magical powers are something that has also likely been tried. I say this because I have personally spoken to multiple people who have magical capabilities.
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I can't seem to find even a proper explanation of what it is. "Energy barrier" can mean many things after all.
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I think the problem is that it's hard to tell what exactly it IS. Who's to say it's even an energy barrier? It could be some kind of cloaked material for all we know.
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I lean towards the idea of an energy barrier because both in practice and theory they are the best ones for keeping a target trapped and not condemn it to asphyxia without having to take risks creating overtures for the air to go through.
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And that is one of the hassles of this place. It's hard to legitimately dispel or negate any theories because there is a lack of efficient evidence. We don't know who they are, what they're capable of. Things that could apply from our world could work differently here. Someone could say the Malnosso are really fat hamsters playing chess, and who could really argue it?
I'm not saying theorizing is a waste of time. I just don't want to rule anything out yet.
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I don't think it's really a hassle, sure as a scientist I find annoying not be able to check my theories right away... But in the ancient times scientists weren't able to do so either. The first man who theorized that the moon moved around Earth wasn't able to back it with evidence and it wasn't until years later that said evidence was provided. Until then people could have been thinking that the moon and the stars were simply painted on a large blanket that covered the sky when night came.
Without evidence nor the means to check it no one could say it wasn't true.
So we're in a similar situation as the first man who claimed that the Moon moved around the Earth and that the Earth moved around the sun. We can form theories and try to prove them, but even if we can't maybe in the future someone will take our theories again and finally prove them.
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[He let's out a small sigh.]
I'm sorry. I lost my temper. I'm not saying there's no way to escape. All I'm saying is that we're new. Things are probably a lot more complicated then they seem.
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You're right, I'm new, that's why I'm asking. Of course the logical idea is that everyone has tried all in their hands to get through the barrier, but just because it's the logical idea it doesn't mean it's the correct one. Actually seeing the answers I've got so far it's as if people don't even bother with it.
[It's annoying, very annoying. She can understand that there's a point in which all one can do is effectively just sit and wait, she has reached that point several times and some of them were in situations in which what she was waiting for was either a miracle or a sure death. But she's new, she herself hasn't reached that point. If no one even bothers to try to dissuade her with actual facts other than someone else who seems to be new as well and just hangs on the "if they are still here it must be very complicated" argument, how is she supposed to be okay with sitting and waiting ( ... )
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Not clinging to hope until there's definite proof is probably their way of trying to cope and hold onto whatever sanity they still have left. That doesn't make it right, but that's how it looks like to me.
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I'm not trying to justify their way of thinking, just better understand it I guess. Most of these people probably haven't had much experience when it comes to a situation that's as mentally exhausting as this one, so it's possible they're not thinking logically to begin with.
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I know a lot of people who wouldn't think logically even if their life depended on that. But not even once have I see them just sit down and hug their legs and do nothing when in an apparently hopeless situation. In fact it's the ones who don't think logically the ones who keep insisting on it when the others give up and decide to just wait and do nothing because it's hopeless.
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