Misha Collins won't be a regular in Season 7
Thank you very much, Sera Gamble.
This is why I don't like you.
“When it comes to Supernatural, our philosophy is that everyone moves in and out and weaves in and out of the story, obviously with the exception of Sam and Dean. We love Misha. We love and adore the character of Castiel. His character developed to this extent and went in this ( Read more... )
This is why I don't like you.
“When it comes to Supernatural, our philosophy is that everyone moves in and out and weaves in and out of the story, obviously with the exception of Sam and Dean. We love Misha. We love and adore the character of Castiel. His character developed to this extent and went in this ( Read more... )
I care about Cas. And would I have been upset if he had exited the show last year...yes...but if he had to go (and by that I mean if the show was ditching him), I'd prefer him happy and out amongst the stars, visiting other planets and helping other beings.
Or he could have gone out fighting the good fight. Still would be mourning, but not gutted since he wouldn't be twisted into whatever we have at this point.
Now, he either stays this not-Cas, stays this not-Cas and is killed, or becomes tainted somewhat-back-to-himself Cas and dies...All three of these options piss me off like you would not believe.
Now, I've seen the more optimistic posts that he will be saved and continue, but how can that be reconciled with Sera's interview? And, while some would be fine with Cas going this dark route, being redeemed, and dying...I would not!
I love Cas, not SPN. Proudly admit that I'm not a SPN fan in general. The " W boys" could not hold my attention.
I honestly wish I had never be drawn in by Cas as now I have to deal with all these negative feelings. Thanks show, for getting the summer off on this discordant note.
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This. I was pretty meh during the first 3 seasons, and admittedly did not even watch all of S3. I just looked at episode 1, skipped to the last episode and then watched S4. HOOKED the moment the angel showed up and religiously watched from then on.
I actually don't mind that they went haywire with Castiel's development because I frankly think most of fandom see Cas as this cute, naive and wibble angel who's sweet and compassionate and every inch the nice guy when he isn't. He's a soldier first and foremost, a warrior of heaven who lived and served for war against anything and everything that had the brand of "enemy" in his book.
So I can understand why he went Warlord on everything, becoming Machiavellian wherein winning is the only thing in his mind because the price of losing was just too much (end of the world).
What I don't understand (and I doubt I'll ever understand) is why in the world did Dean, Sam AND Bobby, all trained and experienced hunters and far from stupid, think that "working with Crowley" was the WORST thing that could ever happen. Cas did NOT fail to mention that losing the war means apocalypse 2, and somehow that thing just flew over their heads.
Let's not even get to the fact that Dean, Sam AND Bobby all made deals with demons when THEY were desperate. So why are they condemning Cas for the same shit? It just never makes sense, and that's all on bad writing on the part of SPN's writers.
They obviously made ALL of S6 about everyone betraying Cas. It just NEVER made sense.
I'll accept "redemption" for Cas in the sense that he'd willingly step down on his self-appointed throne by some miracle (be it friendship, love or sacrifice but on DEAN/SAM/BOBBY's side and not Cas. Cas had sacrificed enough imo), or Chuck-God shows up and... I don't know, slap his hands or something.
But killing off Cas is just... really going to piss off a lot of people. Especially OVER THIS.
I'd rather have a Last Unicorn syndrome going on with Cas when he goes, wherein he's the first and probably last angel to ever live and know what being human, being god, and falling felt like. But he'd live.
This whole nonsense about Sera's line of people weaving in and out of Dean and Sam's lives is just... crap. So apparently, Dean and Sam will never have anybody. People will always die on them or betray them or kill them. They really should both make FML blogs.
We'll get an entire season of them angsting about this and I don't think that'd keep my attention watching 22 episodes of their angst. The world just apparently don't matter. It feels like regression. It was the story of brothers saving one life at a time, then the brothers saving the world... and then now they're back to saving one life at a time and angsting.
Sorry for the very long rant.. :/
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Of course, you are right. He is an angel, a SOLDIER of God and all that entails. I do believe he has the ability to be more as demonstrated, in part, by his relationship with Dean. And I just read this:
http://saucery.livejournal.com/14078.html
which has me totally reconsidering Cas and his motivations and where the show may be taking him.
And I completely agree with you on how Dean, Sam, and Bobby were behaving. It was so obviously contrived by the writers it's hard to ignore the strings.
by some miracle (be it friendship, love or sacrifice but on DEAN/SAM/BOBBY's side and not Cas. Cas had sacrificed enough imo
I'm with you. He has sacrificed so much and so many fans have so much invested in this character, it would be a travesty for him to die. Where's the payoff for fan investment in his struggle? I don't get anyone who's ok with him dying. (I get it with the Cas haters, although I don't GET them in general, nor do I want to.)
I just don't trust the show to handle his storyline from this point after the evidence of this past season and the emphasis on the W boys. I mean Cas' story was THE story of the season and we saw the least of it. It just seems the effort for Cas to be done justice is incompatible with focusing more exclusively on the W boys.
And rant away! You have the right. I am irked by those who think we can gush to our heart's content, but we need to shut it when displeased.
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For the most part, though, I disagree about the "in love" angle. Because as much as I love my OTP Destiel ship, I refuse to use eros as the core of reasoning. Yes, Cas loves Dean. Yes, Dean loves Cas. But Cas was not asking for some declaration of undying love. He never did, not once. All he wanted was for Dean to trust him that one time, to act on the friendship Dean likes to throw in Cas' face, the family line that Dean has thrown in Cas' face.
Because as much as Dean's TOLD him about it, Cas never felt it. I know Dean's probably the last person on earth to express affection openly, and Cas would've known that and it's why he never asked. But we're talking about TRUST here. Cas had trusted Dean when all of his world and his existence were at the brink of death, all Cas had asked was for Dean to stand down and let Cas fight this war. And Dean never stepped up to it. Instead, he pushed Cas away some more. Even after saving the woman he dreamed of being with because of a perfect family they could have had, Dean just told him it didn't change anything.
And I'm just.. no. Cas didn't ask for much. Dean never gave, not even a little of his understanding.
Also this:
"Castiel will turn back to the sweet, innocent Castiel "
It's slowly turning into a peeve of mine the way fandom sees Castiel as this "sweet and innocent" babe. He may be innocent, I'll give it that much, but sweet? No. Cas was and will always be a soldier and a warrior. He would use his mind first, his heart second. The way this war turned out to be, and how he made his choices practically shoved that down.
This is the guy who will "fix" problems by killing the source, by taking the source of the problem out of the equation entirely. Cas is ruthless and merciless once he's given a specific target to smite. He's scarily efficient when he's fully charged. Just because he was awkward in the human world and may pass off as adorable to humans, does not mean that's Cas. That's just Cas out of his element. And his element is the battlefield.
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It can't. :( And there were other interviews from a while back by others (Singer, even Edlund) that now make clear that was their intention in S6 all along. Cas is dead, and this new being/entity is something the boys will have to kill.
At least, I HOPE they'll off him in the premier and not drag it throughout the season. Because I won't be able to watch a season with more than one episode of Casthulhu!
To be honest, I'll stop watching SPN altogether, because I'm only watching for Castiel anymore - the later episodes of S6 showed me how "meh" the first half of the season was. Compare and contrast!
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