You know, that's a brilliant explanation; I love how you added in the fact that we see the whole EFFECT of this on subsequent actions because I hadn't thought of that before either.
Sometimes, when I'm overidentifying, I just cannot get over Damon killing Jeremy (ie on Elena's behalf, not as someone watching the show, lol). Like, I just literally cannot. I try and think of this happening to me, you know, with my sister or something, even in this exact same situation, and I just do NOT see how Elena could possibly ever like Damon after that. Even apart from the fact that Jeremy "came back", In that minute or however long it was before he came back, she was holding her brother's dead body in her arms, the brother she'd seen die before her very eyes. And everyone who's experienced the death of someone they love would know that every second lasts an eternity. And, as far as she knows, she's responsible and it only happened because she told this guy that she didn't love him. The whole thing is so horrific. So, then I have to remind myself that it's a teen show about vampires and just chill the fuck out. And remember what a fantastic scene it was for Damon, that the writers 'went there' with him. And continue shipping D/E hard because I have no moral compass whatsoever. Heh.
My god, The Return was so fantastic.
Also, my favorite D/E scene will always be the end of Miss Mystic Falls!
The more I rewatch the first season, the more I love the scene in 1x11 when Elena pleads for Damon's life--before she really cares for him or has come to comprehend that the connection between them is powerful--because it's just the epitome of Elena. She's so compassionate, and Damon is so undeserving. Lee asks, "What did she do to you!?" and Damon mutters ashamedly, "Nothing." It's as much about her compassion for Lee there as it is Damon, but then she RUNS to Damon to make sure he's okay after Lee leaves, and I just, guh.
Ultimately, that's what makes me believe she can forgive Damon for Jeremy--because her superpower is her compassionate heart; and Damon is so much more than a guy who had a bad day and killed someone because of it. His damage, culminating over so many years, and then, by degrees, his struggle back to humanity (even if Elena doesn't know everything about it, it's like she feels it with him in some ways) is so riveting, it becomes the opposite for me: how can she NOT love him, even looking at his list of sins, there is something inexorable about loving him. You just can't not love him--and neither can Elena. littledivinity said it best when she explained that love is not EARNED, it just is. Damon will never be worthy of Elena, no matter what he does, because what he's already DONE cannot be changed. But because she loves him anyway, the future can be anything.
This is the danger of even scratching the surface here with these two. I could go ON AND ON, you know. I ♥ them so.
You know the name of the guy from Bloodlines? I am massively impressed, hee. And this is true of course; all added up in "you and I, we have something...an understanding". Like she understands that she owes Damon NOTHING, but yet she feels terrible that she 'betrayed' him in that Katherine matter. My god, they are so glorious.
But the Jeremy thing; like I can understand you of course, and it makes a lot sense. It's just that I don't think that's how it should be, even if it IS. I know she HAS forgiven him and that she can love him because that's the kind of person she is, but it is still jarring to me on a personal level that has nothing to do with a show. This is fictional, of course, and they can do whatever the hell they want, which is why this show is so epic, but every time I try to relate to that incident, it just doesn't happen. Like, I don't think that the things Damon went through should be any sort of compensation or justification for what Elena went through. I love him as a character, and almost madly so. But had this guy been real, I literally can't tell you what I would feel about him.
But because she loves him anyway, the future can be anything.
This is EXACTLY why D/E is still so much my ship *hearts* I firmly believe there is nothing such as being 'worth' someone else. After all, it is not Damon's (or Stefan's) decision to make. If Elena loves him despite everything then that's her choice and maybe there's no reason for it, but it still is. And this show is totally going there, GUH.
My god, I shall stop now, and y'know STUDY FOR MY EXAMS WHICH START DAY AFTER DD:
Okay, one last thing, and then I swear I won't respond to you, even if you respond to me, because I'll feel guilty about YOUR exams: all added up in "you and I, we have something...an understanding". Like she understands that she owes Damon NOTHING, but yet she feels terrible that she 'betrayed' him in that Katherine matter. His face at the cemetery in 1x13: that's what makes her realize just what it is--that it's different than him and Stefan--that he actually TRUSTED her for no reason, just because he WANTED to, and she did BETRAY him. She set out to purposely mislead him, and OMG. She didn't know it would hurt him so much--piss him off, sure, but HURT him? She had no idea. And that it hurts her to hurt him? *flails*
I AM RELYING ON YOU TO STOP THIS MADNESS SINCE I AM INCAPABLE (and it is 3:30 am here D:)
But I had to say: totally agreed. He asks HER if he can trust Stefan and he believes her. As damaged and jaded he is, he believes her for no reason. And then he's so hurt when it turns out she betrayed him (I KNOW, HIS EXPRESSION, OMG) and his "but you, you had me fooled".
Oh my god. Oh my god. Most times, I just want to write ALL the S1 D/E fic. Him being a jackass just learning all these fine things and she being wary and yet unable to just stay away completely. I don't even know. D:
Sometimes, when I'm overidentifying, I just cannot get over Damon killing Jeremy (ie on Elena's behalf, not as someone watching the show, lol). Like, I just literally cannot. I try and think of this happening to me, you know, with my sister or something, even in this exact same situation, and I just do NOT see how Elena could possibly ever like Damon after that. Even apart from the fact that Jeremy "came back", In that minute or however long it was before he came back, she was holding her brother's dead body in her arms, the brother she'd seen die before her very eyes. And everyone who's experienced the death of someone they love would know that every second lasts an eternity. And, as far as she knows, she's responsible and it only happened because she told this guy that she didn't love him. The whole thing is so horrific. So, then I have to remind myself that it's a teen show about vampires and just chill the fuck out. And remember what a fantastic scene it was for Damon, that the writers 'went there' with him. And continue shipping D/E hard because I have no moral compass whatsoever. Heh.
My god, The Return was so fantastic.
Also, my favorite D/E scene will always be the end of Miss Mystic Falls!
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Ultimately, that's what makes me believe she can forgive Damon for Jeremy--because her superpower is her compassionate heart; and Damon is so much more than a guy who had a bad day and killed someone because of it. His damage, culminating over so many years, and then, by degrees, his struggle back to humanity (even if Elena doesn't know everything about it, it's like she feels it with him in some ways) is so riveting, it becomes the opposite for me: how can she NOT love him, even looking at his list of sins, there is something inexorable about loving him. You just can't not love him--and neither can Elena. littledivinity said it best when she explained that love is not EARNED, it just is. Damon will never be worthy of Elena, no matter what he does, because what he's already DONE cannot be changed. But because she loves him anyway, the future can be anything.
This is the danger of even scratching the surface here with these two. I could go ON AND ON, you know. I ♥ them so.
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But the Jeremy thing; like I can understand you of course, and it makes a lot sense. It's just that I don't think that's how it should be, even if it IS. I know she HAS forgiven him and that she can love him because that's the kind of person she is, but it is still jarring to me on a personal level that has nothing to do with a show. This is fictional, of course, and they can do whatever the hell they want, which is why this show is so epic, but every time I try to relate to that incident, it just doesn't happen. Like, I don't think that the things Damon went through should be any sort of compensation or justification for what Elena went through. I love him as a character, and almost madly so. But had this guy been real, I literally can't tell you what I would feel about him.
But because she loves him anyway, the future can be anything.
This is EXACTLY why D/E is still so much my ship *hearts* I firmly believe there is nothing such as being 'worth' someone else. After all, it is not Damon's (or Stefan's) decision to make. If Elena loves him despite everything then that's her choice and maybe there's no reason for it, but it still is. And this show is totally going there, GUH.
My god, I shall stop now, and y'know STUDY FOR MY EXAMS WHICH START DAY AFTER DD:
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all added up in "you and I, we have something...an understanding". Like she understands that she owes Damon NOTHING, but yet she feels terrible that she 'betrayed' him in that Katherine matter.
His face at the cemetery in 1x13: that's what makes her realize just what it is--that it's different than him and Stefan--that he actually TRUSTED her for no reason, just because he WANTED to, and she did BETRAY him. She set out to purposely mislead him, and OMG. She didn't know it would hurt him so much--piss him off, sure, but HURT him? She had no idea. And that it hurts her to hurt him? *flails*
Okay, for reals, get busy. Study, study, study!
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But I had to say: totally agreed. He asks HER if he can trust Stefan and he believes her. As damaged and jaded he is, he believes her for no reason. And then he's so hurt when it turns out she betrayed him (I KNOW, HIS EXPRESSION, OMG) and his "but you, you had me fooled".
Oh my god. Oh my god. Most times, I just want to write ALL the S1 D/E fic. Him being a jackass just learning all these fine things and she being wary and yet unable to just stay away completely. I don't even know. D:
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