Psalms 5:4,5 "You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell. The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong."
God (the one who made you with a purpose) so loved the world (Everyone including you) that he gave (giving is a sign of love, God loves us) his one and only son, (Jesus Christ, the way to God) that whoever (whoever means anyone) believes in him (not just knowing about him, but accepting him as the boss of your life) shall not perish but have eternal life.
I'm sure you know most of this, but I am just making a point. God does love everyone.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
I seem to be seeing a bit of cross-wiring in your biblical deductions. There is no way that God can bring a sinner to himself while he hates him. As stated above, God showed us his love, while we were yet sinners. It was not hate.
I think it's wise to be careful how we read the scriptures. I can deduct from simply two verses in the bible a very dangerous theology.
1: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 2: All have sinned.
Deduction: God hates you.
Your interpretation of John 3:16 contradicts other scripture. The word of God does not contradict itself. It is infallible.Are you sure it's not your interpretation of the other scriptures that is falling short? The problem I see is that the overall pictures God is trying to display in the scripture is, "an 'elohim' of 'agape'". He sent his son to die for us... because He loved us -- while we were yet sinners. Not after we had somehow relieved ourselves of his hate
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I seem to be seeing a bit of cross-wiring in your biblical deductions. There is no way that God can bring a sinner to himself while he hates him. As stated above, God showed us his love, while we were yet sinners. It was not hate.
God both hates and love the *ELECT* as well. We are both loved with an everlasting love (by virtue of our election in Christ), *AND* we are hated on account of our sin (because we are God's enemies and objects of his wrath by nature). These two senses in which God loves certainly do not contradict with one another.
So, if God can love and hate an elect person at the same time in a non-contradictory manner, we figure that it stands to reason that God's common love by which he gives good gifts to all in his mercy and common grace is extended to the reprobate, even when he is hated and left to go his own way for God's electing purpose.
I think it's wise to be careful how we read the scriptures. I can deduct from simply two verses in the bible a very dangerous theology
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How could a perfect and all-knowing God misunderstand anything much less himself? We are his creation so why would he create something if he knew he would hate it? he loves his creation that doesn't mean he would give all of it salvation Rom. 9:14-15"What then shall we say God is unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.'" He saves who he wants so i don't even think we need to be trying to say "he loves everybody" or "he hates everybody" b/c he just loves who he wants and those are who he will save.
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so loved the world (Everyone including you)
that he gave (giving is a sign of love, God loves us)
his one and only son, (Jesus Christ, the way to God)
that whoever (whoever means anyone)
believes in him (not just knowing about him, but accepting him as the boss of your life)
shall not perish but have eternal life.
I'm sure you know most of this, but I am just making a point. God does love everyone.
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I seem to be seeing a bit of cross-wiring in your biblical deductions. There is no way that God can bring a sinner to himself while he hates him. As stated above, God showed us his love, while we were yet sinners. It was not hate.
I think it's wise to be careful how we read the scriptures. I can deduct from simply two verses in the bible a very dangerous theology.
1: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
2: All have sinned.
Deduction: God hates you.
Your interpretation of John 3:16 contradicts other scripture. The word of God does not contradict itself. It is infallible.Are you sure it's not your interpretation of the other scriptures that is falling short? The problem I see is that the overall pictures God is trying to display in the scripture is, "an 'elohim' of 'agape'". He sent his son to die for us... because He loved us -- while we were yet sinners. Not after we had somehow relieved ourselves of his hate ( ... )
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Let me be more clear. I think he does love everyone in the sense that he offers salvation to all.
But the love he has for the elect is exclusive. They are the only ones that will be saved.
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God both hates and love the *ELECT* as well. We are both loved with an everlasting love (by virtue of our election in Christ), *AND* we are hated on account of our sin (because we are God's enemies and objects of his wrath by nature). These two senses in which God loves certainly do not contradict with one another.
So, if God can love and hate an elect person at the same time in a non-contradictory manner, we figure that it stands to reason that God's common love by which he gives good gifts to all in his mercy and common grace is extended to the reprobate, even when he is hated and left to go his own way for God's electing purpose.
I think it's wise to be careful how we read the scriptures. I can deduct from simply two verses in the bible a very dangerous theology ( ... )
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We are his creation so why would he create something if he knew he would hate it? he loves his creation that doesn't mean he would give all of it salvation
Rom. 9:14-15"What then shall we say God is unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.'"
He saves who he wants so i don't even think we need to be trying to say "he loves everybody" or "he hates everybody" b/c he just loves who he wants and those are who he will save.
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