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Feb 06, 2008 05:14



WHew.

Who are you voting for?  Not that I plan to follow everyone else's vote, but in light of the upcoming primaries, I'm going to post perspectives on each candidate.

When I have the time, it'd be fun to make a sonnet about the candidates.

Upcoming post on issue topics

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thetruebard February 8 2008, 08:48:52 UTC
Who doesn't want health care?

Everybody wants health care! But not everyone can afford it. That's why many people use health insurance to defray the costs of medical treatment. But not everyone can afford health insurance, either--and many people hate health insurance because insurance companies basically make their money by denying people coverage. I'm not being a partisan hack there, watch the videos of doctors testifying before congress that it was their job to find loopholes for insurance companies--through which said companies could deny sick people treatment.

Passing a law that makes such insurance mandatory is not going to give people truly universal health care. It will force people into universal coverage, which will solve some problems and create spectacular new ones.

Presidential candidacy shouldn't be about whether or not you think someone's crying for real or not.

My point is, I have a hard time trusting Clinton. She does not seem genuine. Obama seems flawed--inexperienced and idealistic--but genuine, without skeletons in his closet or questionable motivation. He seems like an outsider who really wants to change the way things go in Washington. I'd rather have that idealism backed by an experienced cabinet than an entrenched insider who owes everyone favors and is all cunning and guile.

What's her relationship with Iraq anyway?

Hillary voted to give Bush the authority to start up the whole Iraq mess. She now criticizes him endlessly for Iraq, uses Iraq as a major issue in her campaign, but has the cojones to claim voting to give him said authority was not a mistake. "I didn't screw up, I was misled by mean people" is the worst cop-out someone who wants to lead these united states could possibly use in reference to the fuckup that is the Iraq war. Obama took a stand and said no to Bush from the beginning--Hillary didn't do that.

What the hell do you want out of her, a penitance and ten Hail Marys for some random statement (note: WORDS, not action) that she may or may not have made about Iraq? Iraq happened during the Bush administration.

I...uh...Amy, you do realize that it was Congress which gave Bush the authority to go ridin' off into Iraq in the first place? Everyone involved should be ashamed, should acknowledge voting YES on the bill which led to Iraq was a mistake. CLINTON WILL NOT DO SO. She is avoiding responsibility for the war SHE HELPED START. That pisses me off immensely, because she will not stop crowing about how the war is wrong and Bush ruined everything by starting it.

Hillary said yes when Bush demanded the authority to go into Iraq. Obama said no. Hillary refuses to even grant in debate that she made a mistake in voting yes. It's maddening. I'm not being petty, I'm demanding consistency.

By "problem states" you mean a nicer term for "axis of evil"? "HEY ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG, IRAN ISN'T A PROBLEM STATE! ADMIT YOUR WRONGDOING!" Seriously, this is ridiculous.

I like how we put Iran, North Korea, and Iraq into this evil cabal of evilness called the Axis of Evil and continued high-fiving Pakistan and Saudi Arabia despite their nightmarish record of human rights violations and brutal dictatorships.

Regardless of that, you know what was a huge problem state? The Soviet Union. You know who had conversations with the Soviet Union all the time? Every US President during the Cold War via red phone. You know what averted nuclear catastrophe during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Diplomacy. You know what would have happened if we told Russia and its allies we would never talk to them ever until they did what we wanted them to? The end of the freaking world.

Iran is a problem. North Korea is a problem. They are not states we should refuse to sit at a table and talk with.

Iran held candlelight vigils for us following 9/11 while Saudis and Pakistanis danced in the streets. We ignore all diplomatic correspondence from Iran. Obama wants to sit down and talk with these people; Hillary wants to continue the current policy of going NEENER NEENER NEENER whenever they say anything to us.

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crazynezumi February 8 2008, 10:12:29 UTC

I don't think it matters as much who was opposed from the start as much as what they will do about it. It seems to me that Obama is really milking that point, but will Hillary draw more Republican votes because of that record?

Clinton does support negotiations with Iran (The Nation, 1/8/08) Oh, don't forget how many nations were complicit in cover-up human rights abuses, such as deportees to Yemen. I don't see anything that immediately stands out in Obama or Clinton's plans to address these issues.

In terms of Iraq, either candidate promises withdrawal, just a question to what extent and weighing the consequences.

I might go for Barak because I think he has more leverage in response to McCain.

Obama should be Hillary's First Gentleman or Hillary Obama's First Lady. Or one vice prez the other. That would result in an unstoppable team.

NEENER NEENER NEENER says Uncle Sam.

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