Comments | crabby_lioness: Is there aTorchwood/Firefly Parallel With Jack and Ianto?

crabby_lioness

Is there aTorchwood/Firefly Parallel With Jack and Ianto?

Dec 12, 2007 09:30

Leaving out any sexual interest for the moment, am I the only one who thinks the Jack/Ianto/Lisa relationship looks an awful lot like the Mal/Simon/River relationship in the first episodes of Firefly?
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drho December 12 2007, 15:39:13 UTC

And then Mal and Simon snuck away with a stop watch to snog?

I missed that episode! :)

crabby_lioness December 12 2007, 15:40:51 UTC

You missed the "leaving out any sexual interest line".

Mind you, that would have made for a better episode than some they filmed. Firefly suffered terribly from predictability.

drho December 12 2007, 15:46:02 UTC

Right. . . Mal and Simon only snog when I look away from the screen. :)

sunnyrea December 12 2007, 19:21:46 UTC

It's true

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crabby_lioness December 12 2007, 16:01:16 UTC

The problem with Ianto acting secretive at the beginning is the same problem with dropping hints that Lisa was evil at the beginning. It would have made it less believable that Ianto could get so far.

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crabby_lioness December 12 2007, 16:27:00 UTC

My reaction was, "OH SHIT! I know exactly what kind of fuckery this is! The kind with the unhappy ending, because if there was anything remotely resembling a happy ending going down, this would be a DW story instead of a TW story."

We didn't really get to see much between Ianto and Lisa, and she was supposed to be drugged out of her gourd anyway. But in general I do like the characters much better on TW than on Firefly.

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louiex December 12 2007, 16:03:48 UTC

All of this aside from the even visual similarities between them :D The sexy space cowboy and the suit wearing, secretly bearing prior traumas, professional that has just been added to his well oiled team of misfits~

crabby_lioness December 12 2007, 16:28:19 UTC

LOL There is that! And of course both space cowboys are combat veterans who have their own prior traumas in spades.

joulez217 December 12 2007, 16:25:18 UTC

It is very very similar, although different in the same respect. I noticed it but then I watch Firefly way too much it's not healthy! You are right of course, Simon is so clueless, and Ianto isn't!!!

But I notice it!!!

crabby_lioness December 12 2007, 16:31:44 UTC

I love Whedon's background worlds to pieces, but I find his plots only marginally more interesting than Chris Carter's.

joulez217 December 12 2007, 16:33:57 UTC

I think Whedon went on to just trying to entertain instead of having relly well thought out plots though. Not sure who you mean by the way?? Chris Carter??

crabby_lioness December 12 2007, 16:37:42 UTC

X-Files. It got to the point where I knew how an X-Files story would end before the opening credits rolled. With Firefly it usually took a whole 20 minutes.

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eumenidis December 12 2007, 18:19:53 UTC

A TW/Firefly parallel between Mal/Simon/River & Jack/Ianto/Lisa...

Can alway rely on you, noble Lioness, to notice patterns no one else has. & yeah, now that you mention it, there *are* remarkable similarities.

& you may want to cuddle Ianto--& I am not immune to the allure--but while I might not want to pop him one, I do sometimes have the urge to shake him by the shoulders & yell, "You were at Canary Wharf; you work for TW, boy, get a clue!"

crabby_lioness December 12 2007, 19:08:53 UTC

There were almost 900 other people at Canary Wharf, so I imagine that sheltered him a bit. But I only have the urge to do that to him in Cyberwoman and Countrycide. I have the urge to do that to Gwen all the time.

eumenidis December 12 2007, 20:12:13 UTC

A bit, but it was still TW, & even if he was only like a clerk who works at a military base, he must have known, even if only intellectually, TW deals with weird & sometimes dangerous stuff--I mean, they apparently had armed soldiers right there, ready to go into action at a moment's notice. Even if Ianto was only there briefly, the presence of soldiers should have given him a glimmer. I do agree, though, that it was mostly "Cyberwoman" & "Countrycide" where he was so aggravatingly naive.

As for Gwen--oh, God, Gwen! (Clutches hair in dismay.) I don't know WHAT the writers were thinking, the first time we saw her she was presented as a clever, feisty cop experienced enough she took murder scenes & wrestling drunken yobbos twice her size in her stride, next thing you know she was wringing her hands & rolling her eyes like a particularly silly 13-year-old. Now *there's* a character I want to smack upside the head every hour on the hour.